Project Hail Mary is the BEST Movie This Year! | Objectively Bad Podcast #86

Welcome to the 86th Episode of the Objectively Bad Podcast! 

In todays episode we are discussing both the 4th season of Invincible and the new Ryan Gosling Movie "Project Hail Mary"! There are some spoiler free sections but in general we highly recommend you watch both before watching this episode.

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Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Hello there everybody. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite podcast. My name's Dan, and here is Chad. Uh do you know, do you know why I did that? Do you know why I left a little pause there, Chad? So that they could fill in the blank of a better podcast than us? Well, I'm also I'm referencing our first topic of today. A show called. Which does the title card uh meme. So I'm gonna need you to edit in an objectively bad title card in the style of Invincible. Oh fuck! Thank you very much. Making me do work. Yeah, have fun with that.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

We'll try.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yeah, we'll see. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Uh yeah, we'll just sent to you and then you do it.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Yeah, I can figure it out. Back here today again. Uh, as you can see by the episode title thumbnail and all the little chapters along the video, today we're talking about uh two main things in general. Uh two things that have finished slash came out recently. Uh Invincible, the animated television series on Prime Video, and Project Hail Mary, starring me and Chad. Yeah, because we're literally him. We're literally him. So if you're worried about spoilers for either of them, we'll try and do some spoiler-free sections, which will be uh annotated in the timestamps. Otherwise, kind of spoilers about this episode, so tread carefully. But yeah, with the intro out of the way, Chad, lead us into our topic.

Invincible First Half of Season 4

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, let's get started. So uh we're gonna start with Invincible. I think we just kind of have a little less to say than we do about Project Hail Mary. Uh so we're gonna get get started with that. So, Dan, uh, newest season of Invincible came out. It was season four. Yep. Yeah, we're in season four. Yes. I the boys and and invincible can't come out around the same time, but the boys is one season ahead. Yeah. So I get them mixed up to the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I think the boys came out like like every year, but the first gap between season one and two of Invincible took like a two-year gap, I think it was.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

So there was a bigger, yeah, there was a bigger gap. Um, which honestly could that could be a jumping point. Um we'll we'll talk about graphics and the animation in Invincible. We won't start with that, but um it was definitely an interesting season. I think a lot happened this season. Yeah, uh, there was a lot of kind of fill-in-the-gap. There was a long time jump. Um there's a whole lot that happened. Dan, do you have any kind of initial thoughts on on the story at the very least of this season?

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Uh story in general, I thought was pretty like invincible story is always really good. Like, I don't really have any issues with it. There's a few little things here and there that I I could nitpick about stuff. Uh mainly just that it feels if you know how the season ended, which I won't spoil just yet, but if you know how the season ended, it sort of feels again like like a mid-season finale. Kind of it, it's not like a completed story arc. Where I feel like at the end of season one, it kind of felt like it uh felt like a completed story arc. Season two a bit as well. Specifically at season three, I can't remember how it ended, honestly. Trying to remember Conquest. Conquest. Yeah, that felt like a bit of a completed story arc, defeats conquest. Yeah, this one it's sort of like is and isn't. Like they kind of won, but also kind of lost. It's uh I don't think it's bad necessarily, but it's like it's an interesting place to leave the story going into season five, whenever that comes out. I think overall, though, the like the lead up to the the big battle, uh everything was done really well. The main complaint I've seen from many people is like the filler episode, episode four, where uh Mark goes to hell to help Damien Darkblood defeat this volcano lady. I've seen a lot of people say it was terrible. I think the episode itself was fine, it just fine kind of out of place. Like it would that would have been a great episode to have in like season two or something. Uh but the episode itself, like I enjoyed. I thought there's no problem with it.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Yeah, yeah. I I actually enjoyed that episode. I'm pretty easy when it comes to stuff like this, and I see what people mean where it's like it's kind of a filler episode, it's not super related to the story. The argument I will put out there is while story-wise, it's not terribly related, I think it's a good emotional beat for Mark because he's clearly in such a bad place that he kind of needs someone to take him out of it and like force him to remind him who he is. Because the first couple episodes, you watch Mark like kind of lose it a little bit and kind of like nearly he kills a guy. Yep. Um, and we can kind of talk about it. Which I again justified.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Talking about the guy he killed, which was because of the Cepheid Secquid infestation, sequid infestation. I think he made the right call. I'm just gonna say it. I think he did the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah, like it's it sucks, but like it was one of those things where like if a mistake happens, earth gone. Yeah, and it's unfortunate. I will also say that guy was being controlled by a sequid for like years. We don't I don't know of anything, but who's to say that guy will like recover anyways? Yep, it's kind of like a like a it's kind of like a parasite. Like at a certain point, if you're just controlling this body this whole time, like is the person eating, like are they nourishing, or is it just like they're just tapping in on like the neurons and just like forcing them to move, but they're not really alive anymore. But either way, yeah, I think Mark is justified. I it's also very justified why he freaked out and was like, Oh, I just killed a man, that's terrible. Yep. Um, I think the filler episode I liked because it gave a good emotional beat for Mark where he was forced to be a good, you know, forced to do uh the greater good and forced to look at something where he's like, he just helped literally the devil. He helped Satan. Yep, and it's like that doesn't sound good, but it's like in the end, it's not this perfect good versus evil. There's not one team is good, one team is bad, and there's nothing else to it. It's like there's a lot of gray in there, and you just kind of have to find the lighter end of the gray, then the darker end of the gray. And I think this was a good reminder.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

It it also like it was a good emotional beat for Mark, and I think I think Damien Dark Bob is like a really good character to bring in to like help Mark with his emotions. Yeah, uh, I will have a hot take about the filler episode though. Uh, my hot take, clip it, everybody clip. I think it should have been a whole season that like arc. Really? Yes. So this may be my fetish for world building and like really long stories, because I love that shit. But like there was a thing that was mentioned in that episode that I feel like is really glossed over. So when the devil is talking about like, uh, we're we're the devils and demons, we come from the fifth age of existence, and this being comes from the fourth age of existence. I'm like, that's so much fucking lore that I'm so interested in now, and it doesn't get touched on again. It may get touched on in the future. I haven't read Invincible, I'm I'm I'm sure it comes back. But like, you're telling me that there's like five prior ages of existence with different beings and realms, and we're just gonna gloss over that simple fact and go fight an alien. I want to see that.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Give me a season of that. What the fuck? I want to see that. I think it'd be a great spin-off season. I wouldn't interrupt Invincible for that. I would like to see that. I do remember seeing that. I'm like, wow, that's a lot of info. That's kind of really cool. Anyways, back to back to reality. It would be pretty sweet. I think this season has left a lot of story and different story arcs, particularly. Because there's also, I think that part's really interesting. There's also um robot and monster girl are in an alternate universe. Yep. That and a and from what I've heard, that's like a whole arc. Like it's not like a one episode kind of thing. It sounds like that's gonna be a decent amount. Um, Damien Darkblood is back on Earth doing something for Satan.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Trying to find out what um the the the volcano volcano lady like wanted power for because she was stormed for a while and she came back up for some reason. So there must be some sort of like power or something.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yeah, there's that. There's obviously the um thing that the show is leading into, but like there's plenty of different storylines.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

I don't know if it got solved, but there was the whole like uh order with like the dragon guy and the stone dude, they're like back together now.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Oh yeah. But that that could come up again. Yep. That feels like a good like if they don't touch on it ever again, it's fine. Yep, but they can touch up on it. It's a good like episode of the case.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I feel like it's difficult for them to not touch up on it because when you have an enemy as strong as the dragon guy, like he's he's ridiculously strong.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, like Mark and if he wants to attack. Well, it's that if he's not that big of an issue, I don't necessarily there's so much going on that if he's not actively being an issue, I mean, maybe he can help fight Viltramites.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Uh, I mean the story's already been written. I know there's comics, but I don't know what's happening. I'm predicting.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Yeah. Okay. He's a good one. Um, and then that and then I think that brings us into kind of like the main like second

Invincible Second Half

SPEAKER_00 9:29

half of the show is them going to space and fighting the Viltramites, which man, so much happens.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Yeah, spoiler territory, beep, beep, beep.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Yeah, big big spoilers if we haven't spoiled things already.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Yeah, like uh ridiculous amount of stuff. First of all, Oliver goes with Mark, which is you know a big call. Uh hopefully he's fine. TZ currently in like a hospital somewhere, but yeah, uh, I think it in general that was like I like the whole season, but that was when it really started heating up for me. Like, yeah, uh Mark, Mark and Nolan going and getting the different like Viltramite killing things, like Space Racer and the Gun, and like the Dino guys, and all that shit was really interesting. And then seeing them all work together on this plan. Obviously, the plan does not go to plan, goes completely haywire. They get attacked first, then they go and attack them and still get ambushed on their ambush somehow. Um which is interesting. I also think like the the backstory lore about Viltram that we hadn't seen a lot of before was really, really interesting. That was really cool. Like the the scourge virus killing billions of them, and then the whole like thing of the rings around that planet are actually just the dead bodies of Viltrumites. It's so crazy. It's so metal, like what the fuck? That's nuts. Um, yeah, that goes hard. And then obviously the the leader of the coalition being like the big betrayer as well. I'm sure some people predicted that. I didn't really think too much into it. Obviously, I knew he was a betrayer, but I didn't know he was the betrayer, you know. Um yeah, but like there's so much the actual like war itself or the fight. Some of the animation was a a bit a bit slow at times in space. The space animation is is probably the weakest part of the show.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Um yeah, it's I think it's so easy for them to put so little effort into it because you're like generic space backdrop, PNG move. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Like it's difficult to make space battles look because in a fight between really powerful beings, the number one thing you need to convey is like power and speed. Like they did it really well in the when they were on Viltrum, specifically Thrag and Nolan. There's that scene where like Thrag made a vortex with his fists trying to punch Nolan. Which is sick as hell. So good, so dumb, but sick as hell. Like that was a really good way to convey strength. It's a lot more difficult to do it in space when like typically when you're conveying strength, you need to do it like relative to like the backgrounds and other objects. When you're in space, there's not as much stuff around, so it's kind of difficult to show. Yeah, but I didn't like when they just kind of resorted to like punch punch Alan's PG moves away the back.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Alan's PG move away. Punch. Viltramite moves away. Yeah, it the space battles for the most part didn't hit very hard because it's also Invincible has the hard trope of like well, he he's invincible. Yeah, and there's so many things where you're like, you hit a he gets hit so hard so many times, you hit a point where you're like, Yeah, I don't really bel I mean he's a main character, you don't believe he's gonna die anyways, but you're like so many characters you're like, I don't really believe they're dead until like I know that like someone goes, they're dead. Because so many, I mean, Conquest came back from season two.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

I was gonna say, we were glossing over. They they kind of poked fun at that whole trope because there was after Mark killed Conquest on that planet, which by the way, I think that might be the best fight in in the whole show this season. Gnarly. Like Mark for Conquest on the alien planet was incredibly good.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

The fact that he he could have killed him quicker, clearly. He was clearly strong enough, he clearly had him. He it was so personal that he decided to continue to choke him out instead of like choke, beat him up, you know. Like, I feel like he could have been quicker.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

The fact that he's like, I'm just holding on until you're dead, also like holding on Mark holding on to him while Conquest is ripping his intestines out of him and guts and stuff. Like that shit was there's not many fighting scenes. I don't get like uh bothered by gore or anything. That scene was making me uneasy because it was like like the sound the sound effects on it, just like seeing Conquest pulling out the score more. Yeah, oh, it was it was rough, but yeah, they poked fun at like people coming back to life so much because after Conquest was buried in the grave, there was like an after credits scene where they showed the grave again, yeah, as if he was still fucking alive.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

It's it's funny because they start zooming in on the grave and there's like kind of dark, ominous, like mysterious music, and you're like, oh, and then it cuts back to just quiet. Yep. And it nothing happens because they're like, no, he's dead.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

I still believe he could be alive. Like the amount of times they've died. It feels like they could, but I I do think he is dead. But yeah, there are there are definitely lower stakes uh in Invincible at this point. I mean, I guess it's just the type of show it happens in where it feels like characters just don't die or come back to life so easily. Yeah, like we had it with the with the old dragon guy as well. We thought he was dead, he's still alive. Um takes it out a little bit, but overall it's still like really good. And obviously, the way the season ended with Viltimites returning to Earth but disguised, blending in with their society, Mark having to basically make a deal with Thrag to let them live there to save people, which again I think was the right choice. If Mark said no, everyone just dies.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

So everyone just died, yeah, stupid.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

He made the right call, even though it was tough, but it was it leads into a very interesting dilemma for Mark and like the rest of Earth. Because I'm assuming Mark will tell Cecil, but be like, yo, you can't do anything because they'll just kill everyone. Yeah. But then they have to figure out slowly how to deal with the threat while also not letting them know they're dealing with a threat.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Yeah, I'm very curious to see what ends up happening. I think I at one point earlier you made the comment of like it almost felt like a hat like a mid-season. Yeah, I saw it a little differently that season episode seven, so the second to last episode, actually felt like the final episode. Yeah, the final episode felt like the epilogue almost, where it's like, hey, a bunch of stuff just happened. Let's just kind of wrap it up a little bit. Obviously, it's open-ended in what's to come, but like the entire time uh uh the final episode, I was like on my seat because I'm there's almost there's always a big fight in the final episode, and I'm sitting here and I'm like, There's gotta be a big fight.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah, I guess like season just wasn't season seven's like the climax, and you have like just like the going home, like the hero's journey of like the going home period. It's it's frodo returning to bag end and shit. It's it's that is what episode eight is.

Invincible Animation

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Um, yeah, yeah. Overall, like again, before I watched a season, I had a lot to say about the animation, and we can talk about that for a bit. I I still am disappointed with Amazon because they are a massive company, they have a massive budget.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Yeah, they have the money.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

The thing is with Invincible, my my issue with it isn't that it's always bad, it's that it is really good at some points. I'm just annoyed that they can't maintain that level of quality throughout the show. Like just because a moment may not be the final battle or might not be the most interesting thing, doesn't give you the right to just make it look shit for no reason. Like, specifically, like again, like we said, the space battles, the dragon scene where he's like coming off to all of it and they forget to loop the fucking like p like the image, so it just like turns into an actual still PNG, and just stuff like that. I'm like, if you put in like a little bit more effort, or like have your animators, I'm sure they do it, but have your animators watch through the entire show before airs to make sure there aren't little errors like that and just do touch-ups. Because like there were some scenes like episode four that when they're in hell, I think the lighting and animation looked really good. I think the fights against conquest looked really good. I think some parts with Thrag looked really good. Then they just like drop the ball at some moments. I'm like, why why can't you just keep it consistent?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

I think to some degree, I it's like I don't know. At one end, I'm like, oh, maybe they're rushing it, but like so many animes uh have less than a year and make beautiful fucking art. Animes come out. I honestly think, yeah. I think, if anything, their problem is, like you said, they have a massive budget, and I think 95% of that budget goes towards their voice actors. Because as much as I love a lot of the actors they have chosen to voice act, stop having every main character or every character at this point, be a big name actor. Yeah, like it's pull voice actors that are just as talented and cheaper. It's not to say don't pay them correctly, but like in order to pull like a JK Simmons, you probably gotta pay them a mil per episode, if not more.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Yep. Yeah, and like the thing is they may be good at what they do, but they're not so good that it changes the show from what an actual voice actor could do. The only thing that getting big voice actors like Steven, JK, and I'm I'm even fine with like the main few cars having them. It's more so like they have other characters that don't need to have like they didn't need to get Aaron and Paul for that guy who's in one episode, two episodes. It's cool, but the only thing it does is like when you're on Amazon watching it, you press up and see the x-ray and see like, oh, that's Aaron Paul, cool, back to the show.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Like someone else, someone else could have done that. I think Seth Rogan as Alan is great. I think you could have gotten someone else.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah, I think I think they like all the voice actor picks have done are really good. There was a lot of discourse around Thrag's voice actor not being good. I like Lee Pace, I think is fantastic. He's also he plays a very similar role in a show called Foundation, which is I've talked about before on the podcast. He also he also plays like the leader of a civilization, uh, and he's very similar in terms of like brutality, and I think he is absolutely fantastic in that. I think he's good in this. The only thing I'd say is I don't think his voice matches Thrag's look very well. I think there's a maybe it might be because I'm used to seeing him in person, possibly, but like I I feel like a lot of the other, and this happens in a lot of different animation where like in the modern day a lot of animation studios will try and make the characters sort of look like the voice actor or the actor. Like Steven Yon kind of looks like Mark, Jake, Jake Simmons looks like Nolan a bit. You even have it in like Baldur's Gate, where like Jennifer English looks like Shadowheart when you look at it. You have it in Arcane, like I feel like Haley Seinfeld looks like Viabit, El Pono looks like Jinx. You have it there. I feel like Lee Lee Pace doesn't really look like uh Thrag Thrag. Like Lee Pace's Thranduil from The Hobbit. He's like this majestic, tall, like British guy. Oh, yeah, he is. So I forget about that. And and Thrag looks like a like a 40-year-old Italian man. I don't know. There's a bit of a mismatch, but I still think he does a very good job in general.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

No, I think he does a really good job. Also, man, th the power level on Thrag is insane. I think one thing I've been missing from season one is you'd have a lot of moments where you truly felt like Omni Man's power when he just moves at like an instant in a very like non-normal way. Like it does, you know, he's not building up momentum, it's just like he moves. Yeah and he and you kind of stop seeing that a little bit. There's a really like good fluidity to it. You bring in Thrag, where like Mark goes in for this massive punch, and then he just very quickly does this little like sidestep and then turns and then like pummels him, or like well, I think the biggest being so strong that he winds up and air moves. Yeah, it's a little corny, but I fucking love that.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

I think the biggest shelf strength in the season was when he punched, he did it twice to Nolan. He punched Nolan from the outer atmosphere to the ground, and then more impressively, from the ground to the outer atmosphere. Yeah, a single punch from Thrag was like more powerful than like a human or rocket. It's fucking ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Um, see, I uh no, I agree. Like I think, and this could come down to the animation at times as well, but I do think that Invincible has lacked like a really strong, strong person. Um, because even like the dragon guy last season, who was like clearly stronger than probably Mark and Oliver, didn't feel that strong. It was just kind of like uh Mark's just losing again. Um, but Thrag feels power, like he feels like oh, he could kill all of Earth himself if he wanted to. Like easily.

unknown 22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

And I believe it.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I believe it too. Yeah, I I they could put more work into the animation, but I kind of think the story's good enough that I slightly let it slide. I'd still annoying, but I don't know if it necessarily like brings down my rating that hard. Partially because I never knew the show for its animation, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

No, it's more so it doesn't bring down my rating of the story, just kind of brings down my uh my respect for the studio, I guess, a little bit. Sure. Not the animation studio. That brings down my respect for Amazon, which isn't high in the first place. Yeah, okay. Final quick thing I want

Invincible Morality

SPEAKER_02 22:37

I want to touch on. Uh we had we we talked about a lot of the fighting stuff. Uh last week in the pod, we had the little moral dilemma. We have a little moral moral dilemma in Invincible this season as well. So one of the sort of sides side plot points, which is kind of significant, is that Eve loses her powers. We find out it's due to her getting pregnant, and then Mark's away in space for a few months. He comes back. Eve has uh gotten a bit thicker, some would say. And she tells Mark that, oh, my powers are back. I found out why I got an abortion. Obviously, it wasn't that jolly. She was very upset and distraught about it.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

And I've been seeing a lot of discourse online. I haven't I haven't looked that much into it, but kind of the few posts I have seen have been, and like I've seen just posts that are just like worst female characters, and it's like Eve. I'm like, are people really hate hating Eve this much for getting an abortion? What are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 23:30

You have to remember that people are stupid in so many ways. I I think Eve is a great character. Uh, when anyone who's like, oh my god, she got an abortion. First of all, shut up. Uh, if if you're against it, uh shut up. Um, but also it's fair. She didn't know if Mark was even coming back. I think it had been like months. Like, I they didn't say how much time, but like I think it's like at least three months, if not longer. Well, it was quite a bit of time.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

The travel time for from Earth to the coalition of planets was two weeks, and then the attack happened. That was probably a few days. Then Mark was stuck on that other planet in a coma for two months, then fighting for a couple of days. It was probably yeah, three to four months. So, like Eve would have been quite far into pregnancy at that point. Um, yeah, and obviously, she also again she didn't know if Mark was coming home. She's 19, maybe 20.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

It it's completely reasonable that she's young, it was unplanned as well. So like that's the other thing that I sit here exactly. It wasn't planned, so it's not like Mark was sitting here going, I'm real hyped for it. Like, he didn't fucking know.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Yeah, so this is a tweet I saw just before getting on the podcast on readout. It says, Uh, I'll bring this argument up a million times, not me, the the tweeter. Eve knew Mark was heading into a war, knew the world was falling apart, and still let it happen without protection, then made a unilateral decision to abort his child without a single conversation. First of all, I just want to say so many things wrong with this statement. Like so many things. First of all, she didn't know he was heading into a war at the time that they had sex and she got pregnant. We don't know when she got pregnant, but usually for a pregnancy test to show positive, it's like more than two weeks or like a week to like know if you're actually pregnant. She did not know that Mark was going to a war at that point. Like, she nope, she just didn't. Second of all, we don't know that they let it happen without protection. Like, that's just yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

That's just a weird assumption to be made. They're super powered people. They could have been having protection. I don't think they had protection, but they could have had protection, and I don't know, it broke. Yeah, I mean condoms break.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Exactly. Um, so like that's a weird a weird assumption. And then you said she made a unilateral decision to abort his child. First sec first of all, their child, not his, yeah, their two, like I said, he was in space away. She didn't know if he was even alive or not. So at that point, I I feel like it kind of falls into her. Okay, what about this? If you had, if you had, if you had got someone pregnant, someone you loved, and then you went to jail for an end indefinite period of time. Indefinite, unknown amount of time. Do you think you still have like do you think you still have a right to tell your partner, ex-partner to keep the baby even though you're you might never be there for it? I don't think you do.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Like, yeah, no. Like, um, I there's a lot of flaws with with the whole argument. Because it's also funny that he goes, Eve made this mistake, Eve did this, Eve did this, his child. Mark was there too. Yeah. If they had unprotected sex, that also means Mark was involved in having unprotected sex, uh, and all of the decisions leading up to that. Yep. He also, again, he didn't know they was going into war, but if he knew they were going into war, why is he having unprotected sex? You know, like yeah, you can't, it's this weird double standard of like Eve made all these mistakes to his child. It's like, okay, well then then you have to. I don't put any blame on them. Look, they they're fucking metodically. I think they're in a relationship.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

They're having such a just it's just like misogyny. It's like, oh yeah, he has control over her. Um, I I will say there is maybe one area where Eve can be at blame. I still don't think she is, but the only place where I will hear an argument is the fact that she didn't tell him when she knew because she did know before he left. The reason why she didn't tell him, and I I sort of agree with her, is that like Mark's going into a war against the most powerful race in the universe, she probably doesn't want to have put like more worry on his mind for no reason. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Which is literally the reason she says And I understand it. Yeah, she had to kind of prioritize there, and one child versus potentially all of Earth. It's it's a a slightly hard thing to argue in comparison to real life because it is a non-real life issue, it's a very fictional issue. Yeah, there is no one that we know of on Earth who is a superhero and is like, I gotta either save the world, baby. That's not to say you shouldn't give the baby like attention and all that, but like I understand why Eve was like, actually, I'm not gonna say anything at this moment.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

I mean, the close the close real world equivalent would be like a man going off to war and his partner doesn't tell him about the baby. Um, I like obviously in an ideal world you would, but I understand why Eve didn't.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

And then why she didn't.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Also, again, about her getting the abortion, in an ideal world, yes, you make the decision with your partner, but I I'm in the I'm in the boat, and I'm sure you are as well. At the end of the day, the baby's in her body. I do think she gets to choose really at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

100%. I like, especially if it's unintentional. I almost sit there and go, not that he can't have a say, but at the end of the day, it's her decision, not his. Because he is not the one who is with child and is being physically and emotionally affected by it.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Yeah, and she like she's being more physically affected by it than normal woman because she's losing like powers which keep her safe and give her like a career, I guess, in a sense. So like she's being like doubly fucked over by this, and she's young, she's and the world's ending. I doubt raising a baby in that state of the world is is great.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

She is in all senses in the right for what she did. It's also it's not like she sat here and went, heh, heh, he, abortion. No, she's fucking like she wasn't happy about it, no, but it just made the most sense.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah, and then uh I I will say the way Mark reacted, I was I was a bit confused by. I I it's it's a it's a difficult thing to react to, but he was like blaming himself for not being there. I'm like, brother, you didn't know, you couldn't have done anything.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Like, yeah, it's kind of just the arc he's going on, is he's putting so much on his own shoulders that he's just having a hard time. Yeah, but like I didn't generally I think it tracks for what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah, I can understand being mad at her. I can under Yeah, it is definitely better than being mad at her, which I was worried it was gonna uh he was gonna do. Yeah, like he didn't he didn't know before leaving. I can if he if she did tell him and he still like left because he had to fight the war and then he came back to the abortion, I can understand him being more upset, but like she didn't tell him, he couldn't have done anything, he just didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah, um I just think he's he's getting kind of worked up over a lot of hypotheticals, partially because the hypotheticals are not that hypothetical, like they're very possible. Yeah, because he's like, I don't wanna like he's like he he just wants to have his world be as it is and everyone be safe and the people that he loves be safe, but he's essentially coming up against thing after thing that is showing him that like it's not and he isn't necessarily enough to do it, and I think that's just a hard issue that he is dealing with and will continue to deal with over the next multiple seasons, probably.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm just kind of reading some more tweets about the situation, and it's obviously I know the the most outrageous opinions typically get the most like views and stuff, but like sure because I I saw that there was like I knew that Eve before I saw the episode, I knew that Eve got pregnant because I got I saw it spoiled somewhere. So I knew that I knew it was coming. And I saw I saw posts like hating on Eve. I'm like, they're not hating on her for this, are they? I thought they may be hating on her for like cheating or something. I'm like, this is what this is what people are mad about because because she made whatever. Like I know to be fair, it's it's all the right-wing conservative people that are that hate abortion in the first place that are upset at this. I'm sure most people that are not on that side of the spectrum are don't see a problem with it. But yeah, it is it is interesting.

unknown 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Sorry, I just I just I just saw a tweet saying at least she managed to kill a Viltromite.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

I guess pretty good. That's pretty good. I'll give I'll give you that. That's pretty good. That's that's funny. Um that's that's pretty funny. Um,

Project Hail Mary No Spoilers

SPEAKER_00 32:18

shall we move on to uh Project Hail Mary? Yeah, absolutely. All right, uh, we're gonna do our absolute darndest to uh start with a spoiler-free review. We will spend the next however many minutes, it'll it'll be down low. You'll see it, it'll be that amount of minutes. Um talking about it without spoilers. So if you want to still see this and you haven't, I recommend it. Dan will recommend it. You should do it. Um we're gonna try and give our opinion without spoilers, and we're gonna see how well we do. Um and then we'll go into spoilers, and then you can skip ahead. And then once you watch it, you can come back and re-watch us. So uh Dan, just generally speaking, how'd you like Project Hail Mary?

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Well, I think I I mentioned it last week in the pod a little bit. I was I said, I think I said obviously it was really good. I think I gave it like an 8 to 8.5. Now let's have more time to sit on me. I've like gone back, looked at more like interviews and like TikTok edits and stuff about the movie. It is getting better in my head. I think it's more like an 8.5 to a 9 now. Um you're the one who's watched it more recently, though, and you haven't given any points, so what about you?

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Yesterday. Um, I really enjoyed it. I actually gave it more like the almost 9 to 9.5 range. I had a really good time.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

It might get up there for me as well. I think there are there's like one thing which we can talk about that I'm unsure how I feel about. Um, but okay, it could it could get up there maybe on a rewatch or two.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah, it's really good. Ryan Gosling just continues to show me that he's a great actor, he's very fun to watch, he can do a serious role, he can do a silly role. I he's just he's an entertaining guy, and I have not found a movie where I didn't enjoy him in it. Yep. Um I think the story is very compelling. I think it's an interesting level of like science, a lot it's fake science, but it's at least seems relatively real. It's it's more on the science fiction side than like of science rather than like like a Star Wars, which is more of a space opera where it's like it's sci-fi in the sense of it ain't real uh and it's futuristic, but it's not no, like almost based in stuff.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

The the only part of the movie that is fake is I'll try not to spoil it yet, is like the villain. Look like a if you if you get what I mean, the villain of it is not a thing that's found to be real. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

But like the place that's based in the idea of science, at least.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Yeah, like a lot of it is based on the math they use to do things is like a pretty realistic. The places they go are like real places, except for one thing I'll mention later. Um, it's all like it's all like it's it's again, it's very, very similar to Interstellar, both in like plot and sort of level of science fiction, of like this is a thing that could kind of happen, maybe not to the same extent, but like the same sort of mission that Grace Ryan's character goes on in the movie is something that we could see happen at some point in the future, maybe. I guess. Like it's it's not style unrealistic.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Sure. They try to at least base it on the thought of people doing math and physics. I'm sure it's there's gonna be inaccuracies. I'm sure there's things that are maybe relatively close, but like, or they're on the right ballpark, but they're not the same, because they do some stuff that's we can't do currently. Yep. Um that's the thing is that's being based in stuff other yeah. It's also like it being based on more of a person who is like a scientist rather than you know, like a cowboy gunslinger is kind of fun. Um well it's it's I think the story's really good.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

The book was written by the same person who wrote The Martian, which if you remember was also very similar. Like guy, guy goes into space on Mars, tries to survive. Dylan ship. Yeah. Pretty realistic to it as much as you can be.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

There's some things that are wrong, but like, and there are also because it's still science fiction, there are things that you have to fudge. And there's defin there's one thing they definitely kind of gloss over that I'll get into, but it's you kind of have to just look at some things and be like, yeah, right. Like they say it with confidence, whatever. I know it's not real, but um, I I enjoy that it's more quote-unquote based in science in a way. Um, I think the space element of ri is good, it looks really good. Uh, I think it sounds really good.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Um yeah, I think the the song choices were brilliant. Um the voice choices, if you if you get me, were pretty were brilliant as well. Um I think just back to the logic point about like space and stuff. I think as long as with science fiction and also fantasy, as long as the like rules of the universe make sense within the story and don't keep breaking it like upon itself, it's fine. Like I don't think it needs to abide by the side.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

As long as you're consistent, yeah, we're good. And I think that's the big thing in a science fiction, is like you're gonna have fake science because that's usually the interesting part of the story, is it's something based in a fake science or something that's made up, or something that's not proven to be wrong, but it's also not proven to be real. Um, but having consistency is good, and I feel like it's a pretty consistent movie. I'm sure there's someone out there that could I'm sure CinemaSins can find something wrong with it, but we're not that dedicated. No, or want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

No, yeah, but no, movie was movie was really good. I again, I think on rewatch it may go up for me. Um, but it was uh it was one of the better movies that I think there's been a trend of movies like this coming about and not maybe getting the recognition they deserve, but I feel like this is one of the ones that is getting the recognition it deserves. Like we saw obviously not the same genre, but like The Nice Guys of Ryan Gosling was a great movie that came out and barely got any recognition. I think even Interstellar, when it first came out, didn't get like crazy amounts of like uh publicity and popularity. I only did like a while after when it started to win awards and stuff. Um, even the Fall Guy with Ryan Gosling, I thought was a brilliant movie, and I feel like it didn't get received as well as maybe I thought it should. But this was like a really, really, really well-made movie with a lot of like soul and passion put into it. Like it was Ryan Gosling's passion project. If you don't know, he like directed it. He bought the rights. He produced it. Yeah, he produced it, he bought it. I think he produced it. I don't think he directed it. Yeah, that's that's what I meant. Um he like made the whole thing happen. He bought the rights to the screenplay of the book before the book was even like fully finished because he trusted the author. Um, yeah, he cast himself and it did brilliantly. Uh a lot of it, like I think you I don't know if you would have seen this, but there was like very little CGI used, like everything was all like pretty practical. It's like just trying to make it a good, good movie, and it worked.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Yeah, I think if you like Interstellar or things like it, go see this. Honestly, if you're a Chris Nolan fan, this is not a Christopher Nolan movie, but like that kind of vibe, I think this is a good like that and the Martian. If you like those, I feel like those are pretty kind of similar vibes.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

It's a Christopher Nolan movie, but with more humor, because his movies aren't really usually that funny.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

Yeah, there's humor in them, but they're a little more serious. And it's not to say that this movie isn't serious, like it feels very serious. There's a lot of heartfelt moments, there's a lot of like there's a lot of good moments that that can pull at you, but there's also quite a bit of humor within it. And I think that partially comes from that just seems like Brian Gosling's more of his MO is not that he's not serious, but he's uh there you could be serious and also crack jokes.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Yeah, like he he used to be a very serious actor, like very dark roles, but he said he wanted to stop doing that because they were like too emotionally tolling on him. Yeah, so it it's basically Interstellar with the guy from the Nice Guys. Um, yeah, pretty much to a degree, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Um, I think I think we can hit spoiler territory.

Project Hail Mary Story SPOILERS

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Uh uh Dan, what was the story?

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Uh so the the spoiler story: the universe is fucking dying. All the stars are being are being uh sucked up uh by this new creature. Being sucked off. They're being sucked off by this new life form that lives in space somehow called astrophage, which is like a little microorganism that feeds off stars to use its energy to move to different planets or whatever. Uh they find this out it's happening to like all these different stars, including uh the Earth's Sun, within like a certain perimeter around them, like hundreds of light years or some shit. Um, and it's spreading like a virus. So Earth scientists are like, Well, I know exactly who we need to solve this issue. A random school teacher. Yep. Yep. Um, yeah, yep. Well, no, it's Ryan Goslings, he's not just a random school teacher. The reason they do No, he is he's a doctor. He's like yeah, he's like a got a doctoral PhD in like science, some science. Uh, the reason why they get him to help on the project though is because he specifically wrote a paper uh making the assumption that water wasn't necessary for life forms to exist, which was like very controversial, and is why he works as a teacher and not a scientist, because they basically shunned him from like science society. Um, they find out very quickly into the movie that he was wrong. Um, but it was because he was so willing to go against the grain that they wanted him to like work on this thing because his his mind worked differently, I guess. Um, but yeah, they basically get some of this astrophage, uh Grace, Ryan's character, I'll just call him Grace from now on. He tests it, figures out that oh, it's it's alive, it's doing this shenanigans. We need to figure out a way to like kill him, basically. So they do they do a long search, find out that one of the stars in this perimeter is not actually dying. So Earth as a collective basically decides we need to send a mission of people to go figure out what the fuck's happening to this star, so we can possibly save our own, because due to the sun being eaten away by astrophage, the global temperatures dropping, uh, humans won't be able to survive within like 30 to 50 years, basically. So it's like very, very imminent, like big problem. And then you know, they get a team ready. Ryan teaches there's an astronaut, an engineer, and a scientist to Ryan's teaching the scientists about like, hey, this is what you need to do to like to figure shit out. Here's science stuff I need to teach you. And then uh kind of like the day before launch, or like a few days before launch of the of the spaceship, there's a giant explosion in the lab because Astrophage is highly explosive, has a lot of energy stored in it, and it kills like all the scientists. So they're like, hey, we we might need someone to go to space, and we have no one better than a middle school teacher, so how about it? And this is where the big like plot twist in the movie comes in. So if you really don't want spoilers, click off now. Grace says no to going on the mission. So instead of letting him have his free will, they uh they drug him and send him up there, anyways, against his own free will. And he basically, when he wakes up, he kind of has lost his memories. uh of like why he was there, kind of who he is, a little bit. I think he starts to regain them, but he at the start he like fully like couldn't remember anything apart from like he remembered like smart stuff because like within the first five minutes of the movie he walks into like a room with like space stuff and is like that's a phalange why do I know that I must be smart is like a line he says uh but the big thing is that his two crew members the astronaut and the engineer are dead so he's there alone and then from that point he tries to save humanity and I'll let you explain the rest.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Yeah so the the interesting thing about kind of that section of the story is you don't see that all at the beginning it's slowly getting revealed throughout the movie. So you start with him on the spaceship and he like wakes up he was in an induced coma um he's like I don't know what like where the fuck am I um uh because of the induced coma he has some like memory issues that he just slowly kind of regains back uh and as the movie's going on he's it's it's showing the audience I think in the book it's a little bit more there's a more I guess time spent on that kind of aspect but from what I know it's that he's just been in a coma for so long that like he's just having some memory loss issue and it's slowly coming back to him um and it's a bit more of a plot point of like like he said he was like look I just I don't think I have it in me like I don't think I'll keep it together up there like don't send me and they basically go we have to and then they do and so he wakes up from this I think it also go or it doesn't go into the fact that like we don't find out why the two people died no I think just that the cryosleep machines probably just like broke or something like or something. Yeah yeah it's they don't they don't go into it but the rest of the other part of the story the I guess because that's more flashbacky the active part of the story is he wakes up he has to figure out what's going on uh the ship is kind of automatically going towards its destination um he gets into the solar system of the star that is not being affected by the astrophage. Yep and then the other I guess spoiler of the movie if you didn't know what was going on is he meets an alien yep uh there is another he he spends a good chunk of the movie with another life form which is very interesting because he essentially finds this other ship and then they start trying to communicate.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

They obviously don't speak the same language at first he gets scared and tries to run away from it and it keeps just falling.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

He tries to run away and it keeps following very accurately and it's very funny.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

But he essentially tries to find a way to communicate and and there's a lot of kind of montaging and skipping over and it's something that I think the book also spends a lot more time on like him doing trialing and erroring and figuring out how to communicate well I think to me the really interesting thing about them communicating was that at the very very start of the movie uh the first I think the very first scene in like a flashback when Ryan's uh when Grace is teaching his classroom he's do you're doing like a middle school science lesson about like sound waves and like pitches and vibrations and stuff which is a very good foreshadowing because the creature he meets basically communicates with like different frequencies of like sound and pitch. Yeah and then kind of echolocation yeah that's that's to heal I guess or to see um but speaking is like is like sound frequency you know that shit so like Grace uses his knowledge of that to to learn language he like gets a clock you know and starts counting one to twelve like so that they can understand each other. He has a translation device so he can put in a frequency and then he finds like a robot voice to like relay the message and he goes through a bunch of different voices one of them's like Meryl Streep um and you have a bunch of other different voices but then it lands on um the the voice for Rocky which becomes his name which is actually the person who is pop like one of the puppeteers for Rocky the master puppeteer it wasn't going to be him but he just he just became the voice actor because he just understood the character so well. But yeah over the course of like a short like five minute montage they slowly work out a bunch of different words of like Rocky saying this means this in Ryan's language and eventually they can kind of communicate pretty well like it it's it's pretty decent. It does go pretty fast um and it maybe it seems a little bit unrealistic of how quickly Ryan does manage to figure all that out but like it gets the job done.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

It's a movie it's also like clearly a decent amount of time has passed or I guess if anything unclearly we don't know how much time has passed. So it's I don't know it it didn't necessarily bother me. Again there's some things that you have to skip over like there's a point where it's flashing back and he's on this aircraft carrier with all these like scientists and they're talking about like all right how do we gotta do this and they're like all right we'll tell you the plan they're like all right so look here's the deal we're gonna make a bunch of the astrophage use it as fuel and then go near take a ship that's near light speed and go 11 you know light years away and he kind of is like I'm sorry you can make a ship that's near light speed they're like yeah we can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Well with we I I yeah we can't do that but with the astrophage they can do that because they explained they explained earlier that's the energy astrophage can store and expel a ridiculous amount of energy because like astrophage the reason why it was so crazy is that it was I don't I sort of understand that they're clearly like creatures that can live in space they don't need air or or anything to breathe. So because they feed on light they feed on yeah basically light things yeah uh which is you know a lot of energy and they you can see that the the strain of astrophage goes from the sun to I think Venus I think it was I think it was Venus because the atmosphere was dense they liked something in the atmosphere so like the astrophage are going like a long distance just moving so like putting that in a rocket it's feasible that they could make a light like a near light speed thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Like we could make a near light speed rocket you just need a lot of energy which we don't really have access to which we don't have but it's again the it's the kind of like there's some things you need to like kind of skip over because it's it's still fiction. But yeah they uh they kind of learn how to communicate learn how to work together they uh figure out the planet that the astrophage is trying to go to um near that star and then see why it's not working. They essentially find out that it's some something in the atmosphere is killing them they then get they get it and they then start to take it back to their respective planets.

SPEAKER_02 51:05

It's a lot more difficult in the movie than Chad's made it sound they uh yeah it's a lot more but I'm I'm hitting they both nearly the plot points here. Both Grace and Rocky nearly die trying to because they have to to get the thing from this planet's atmosphere they basically have to go down into the planet planet's like atmosphere to fish it like with a net and Grace isn't a a pilot he had he has to like learn how to fly the fucking ship and even then it's like a few days training or some shit. So like he nearly fucks it. You know Rocky Rocky the thing about Rocky is that the atmosphere where he lived on his planet is made of ammonia whereas like ours is made of you know oxygen nitrogen shit. So like the atmosphere that Rocky's in isn't compatible with the one that Grace is in. So whenever Rocky's in Grace's ship he has to be in like a ball of his own atmosphere like a spacesuit basically to walk around and Grace nearly fucking dies because the ship goes a bit haywire. Rocky literally goes out the ball nearly killing himself to save Grace and then he luckily manages to survive. So there's a lot of like drama and stress in that scene and yeah it's in that like fishing scene for this other life form where there's like one of the most beautiful shots in the entire movie where you see like the red like lights of the astrophage kind of go around Grace when he's outside on doing like a spacewalk. It's one of the most like stunning shots I've seen in cinema for a while.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

The planet also looks so cool because it kind of it kind of looks like northern lights on steroids. Yeah pretty much like these kind of bright like greens and reds and like it looks so cool. I guess kind of the final plot point is he Grace starts to go back to Earth he then notices that the because they collect like a life form like Amoeba um in that planet they're gonna they're like alright cool we're bringing it back to our respective planets and then we're gonna fix the issue. He's they start to split Grace realizes that it started eating through the Xenon or the like they call it Xenonite I think.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

Yeah xenon yeah because xenon's a gas but Rocky's species make it a solid somehow um and they and they stored it in there.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Because Rocky can make really like uh complicated contractions or like things out of um it so they made some to store it and it f he found that the Amoebas would eat through it and then he was like oh if they can eat through it his entire ship is made out of that he's gonna die. So he sends a probe back to Earth with some of it in there a bunch of instructions a whole thing and then he meets up with Rocky and he fortunately gets to him before uh it can kill the ship and then they make it back to his planet and then the final thing is just him chilling on their planet in this big like biodome and he's teaching uh some people sci like little kid rocks some science. Yeah. Which is kind of fun.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Yeah quite cute. Yeah honestly it's it's quite impressive that because he had to meet Rocky like midway in space so he had to calculate like how fast Rocky's ship was going how fast his ship was going uh Rocky's direction towards his planet and then try and find the intersecting line to meet him like halfway very difficult math to do just on the fly.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Not easy math. I will also say the fact that he managed to be correct is wild because I don't think he's an astrophysicist and like they're an astrophysicist like that's it's a little it's a trope that happens in a lot of science fiction where it's like he's the scientist and he's just good at all you know the character's good at all science and it's like he's a biologist. Kind of like Bruce Banner in MCU like he's a biologist but he's like good at everything for some reason. But he can do everything and it's like realistically there is no way because how does he know the speed at which he's going the exact direction unless they like talked about it the likelihood that he had actually found him is incredibly low. Again I'm willing to ignore that because it's a movie yeah like it's possible to do it's just incredibly implausible.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Yeah it's very unlikely especially with how big space is like he knew that like he knew where the planet was he could have easily got to the planet but like finding intercepting Rocky mid mid-journey is is tough that's real hard but yeah that's that's the story um I think we'll kind of we have some kind of points to hit yep uh but I I I I really enjoyed that I I had a really good time with it Dan had a really good time with it if you haven't seen it already even though we just told you the entire plot go watch the dang movie it's there's a lot of little fun moments between Grace and Rocky like they're really funny. Rocky gets like he he has like a slight robotic voice obviously and the English is like very broken English due to the fact that it's like translated through a different language. So there's so many like fun little moments uh like just like misunderstandings misusing of words like instead of saying fist bump he says fist my bump which is yeah sounds great. It's just it's just a really good seeing how different seeing different species like interact and come to a common understanding of like each other's life and world is just so it's so interesting to tell that type of story. And something we don't get to I'm sure it's something our ancestors saw when like you know Europeans first stepped foot on America and then killed all the natives I'm sure they got to experience a different culture uh and language and everything but like aliens even like further than that like the way they communicate isn't even slightly close to humans their bodies are different eating is different there's a scene about like them about Rock and Grace eating and it's it's great or sleeping is another big one like Rocky wants to watch Grace sleep from like a meter away just it's real good.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

Yeah it's

Ryan Gosling

SPEAKER_00 57:06

it's really good. Let's talk about Ryan Gosling's performance. Yeah because I mean there are other people in this and obviously there's Rocky which it is cool because he is puppeteered in the movie for the most part obviously at some points he's CG but apparently a lot of it he is like it's a puppet.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

But essentially this movie's kind of just Ryan Gosling.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Yeah solo man performance apart from the flashback scenes which has like some other actors though.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

The flashbacks has other actors and they were also very good I like all of the other actors I don't remember any of their names but they they do a very good job. The German lady's great she's a really like very straight to the point like he'll kind of make a we would know she's very German he'll make a joke and she'll be like no I I meant this that's why I said this thing and he's like okay she's funny though like in in that way it's very good but Ryan Gosling man this guy is fucking crushing it.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

Yeah he's on a he's on a hot streak right now I feel like everything he touches kind of turns to gold really like he was great he was great in Barbie as Ken I think even even in movies that maybe not have been received super well his character's always brilliant like whatever you think about Barbie I think Ken this may be a misogynist take I think Ken was the best character in the in Barbie movie. I think he was the most entertaining like by far um I think he was the most fun character in that movie for sure I think he was uh again I talked about the fall guy I think whatever you think about the movie I think he was great in the fall guy I think he's great in the nice guys uh I watched Crazy Stupid Love like a year ago for the first time he's great in that even though it's a very different type of character um Lala Land you know he's he always has just fantastic performances I think a lot of people uh are saying the sentiment recently like Ryan Gosling is who Ryan Reynolds thinks he is honestly yeah that's so true I think with that because he's I think the difference between Gosling and Reynolds is that I still find on Ryan Reynolds funny at times but he does he's kind of does the same bit always now I think Ryan also does sort of the same bit in terms of characters I think the main difference is Ryan Reynolds acts like a person who knows he's funny Ryan Gosling acts like a person who doesn't know he's funny and just is effortlessly like yeah funny.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

It's also the characters he does play while there's kind of a similar air around them they are still different like Ken versus the Fall Guy versus Dr. Grace they are different characters. Yeah it feels like Ryan Reynolds put out Deadpool and has been a variation of Deadpool honestly just a different scaling on the PG scale version of Deadpool since then.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Yeah I also think Ryan Gosling's characters do feel very human. Like they all feel like like realistic people. Yeah they feel like um obviously someone like Ken and Barbie is a bit is a a dull but like they all feel like quite even though they're very humorous at times they do feel like quite grounded and relatable Ryan Reynolds's characters all kind of feel like comic book characters.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Yeah which isn't necessarily an issue I just I prefer Ryan Gosling. But I he's great in this movie. I mean he he feels like a very real person of like he's clearly intelligent he clearly has smarts but like he is flawed and those flaws come up like a a big theme of this movie is him going like I'm not I don't want to be at at the spotlight I'm not brave like I'm not that brave I'm not like I'm not that guy like I just don't think I have in me and it turns out he is that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Yeah but he becomes that it's not like a natural like he's like no guys I don't I don't want to do it and then all of a sudden he's like actually I am that guy like let me step up he's like forced into call and wait yeah and it's not completely forced like obviously with like going to space he was quite literally forced sure but like there's an early part of the movie where he's speaking to the German lady and he's he's found out that the that these things are alive and she's like all right I'm gonna take these samples away and my scientists are going to work on it and he's like wait can I can I have some I I want to keep working on it. So like he is he is interested in actually helping and doing the right thing he's just I guess scared to do it probably because of his past of like putting himself out there with that paper that was wrong uh and getting kind of humiliated but you can you can see that the the bravery is in him and there's there's a scene in the movie I can't remember what the the dialogue was but there's a scene in the movie between him and Rocky where he's kind of talking about him not being like brave and Rocky reassures him like he is like the bravest person that Rocky's met or like the most well the I think the joke is like you're the bravest human I've met.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

Yeah which is it's at the very end because he kind of like it doesn't seem like his species does humor at least in the same way and so at the very end he goes you're the bravest human I've ever met and Ryan Gazan kind of turns and he's like you sick son of a bitch that was a joke wasn't he was like yeah that was a joke uh which is funny but it is like he also says it in a very sentimental way I think like in a scene prior where he's like where Ryan Gozan is like I'm not brave and he goes dude yeah you actually kinda are and it's there's some there's cool character development in that way where like you see him kind of become who he has the potential to be like he is smart which is and even if he's not Ryan Gosling was so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

And even if he's not capable in the ways of like engineering or being an astronaut or spacewalker like he's willing to do those things because he know it has to be done. It feels like it feels like I I can't make the assertion that like any human assuming they have the same intellect of as Grace's movie would do the same things as him but it kind of feels like it it feels very human to like if you were alone trapped in space there you were the last chance to save humanity I feel like I I would have faith in a lot of people to like put themselves in line and do the right thing and it feels like Grace is like he's sort of a representation of humanity especially to Rocky who's only met him he's kind of like showing him what humans are about and it's quite a nice story in that sense. Yeah at least the positive uh representation of humanity of course the what what we what we strive to be what we should be yeah um yeah no I think he was great um

Movie Elements

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

any kind of like sort of movie elements that we want to discuss I know we've kind of talked about like the music was good the well the the big like the visuals were really good visuals are great the big music choice which was Sign of the Times by Harry Styles uh I didn't even heard the song before this movie but apparently it was chosen by the by the German actress apologies for not remembering her name so there is a scene in the movie where she sings on a at karaoke on like a military ship basically and I think Ryan or someone told her to choose the song um for it because then she was going to be singing it and apparently it was her daughter that recommended the song or no she asked her daughter is this is this song still cool to sing because she's out of the loop and she chose to sing it and it became like the whole anthem for the movie. Not only does she sing it but like I think I think it's played again in like one of the big scenes in the movie. It's like a very it's like it's like the anthem of the movie now it's like it's such a brilliant brilliant song Joyce like I couldn't have picked a better one even though it's kind of just like random choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Yeah really uh the actress's name is uh Sandra Hullah or Huller depending on how much you want to pronounce that um yeah she's she's great i the song choice is really good i i've always said this I think like composition is so important and honestly more important to movies than people realize because god this honestly the entire second half of the movie pulling at my heartstrings because you have these moments of like you think they're gonna die or they're just having these really heartfelt like personal moments and like you can have those you just make it a silent scene or you put generic background music behind it and it like it's nice but it doesn't change much you throw the music behind it and like God it amplifies everything that's happening and the music the composer is really really good in this I I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

I I generally think the right song choices can make a movie go up by like two points on an out of 10 scale it can turn an eight out of 10 movie to nearly a 10 for me or like an eight down to a six. I agree it can make such difference like when we talked about the Mario movie before not that it was ever going to be a 10 but like the song Choices were so generic and bland that it kind of killed a lot of the movie for me. Like Mr. Blue Sky and like Thunderstruck or Welcome to the Jungle, whatever songs they were playing, they're just like such basic choices I hear in every fucking song, every movie, like nowadays. It's just like this scene just isn't interesting. It takes me out of the scene and makes me think about the song and what other movies it's been in. Whereas like this movie, I think it's nice to have like one big needle drop. Not that I've again heard this Harry Styles song before this, but it's like it's like one big needle drop, but then the rest of the music, which is like just music, I guess. I I didn't know any of the songs.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

It's like it was all really a lot of it wasn't even necessarily like a pop song, it's just probably original music. Yeah, soundtrack maybe the movie music. So yeah, it's I think that's great. Um, I have yeah, no notes on music except great. Uh, I think it looks really good. I don't remember a moment where I was like, oh man, that doesn't look great. Like, I feel like watching some of the newer Marvel movies where you can tell they didn't put a whole lot of time into it. You see something, and you're like, that CG character doesn't look great. Everything in this looked so good. The spaceship looked super realistic, the different like space elements were really cool. Um, the outside of spaceship, inside of spaceship, everything I think looked really good and really like clean and believable. And honestly, obviously, like we know Rocky isn't real, but they used a puppet for a lot of it. They used CGI where they needed to, but like they used a puppet, and I think that shows the more practical you can do in every sense is better. Yeah, I mean, it just looks more realistic.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:38

I haven't I don't really remember the Hobbit, I only saw like part of one of the movies, but like you've seen The Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. Lord of the Rings is practical, the Hobbit CGI, and there's a big difference.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:48

Staggering. And the Hobbit came out like 15 years later, so technology feasibly should have been significantly better. But it looks worse. Practical always looks better than something real always looks more real than something fake. That's just kind of an easy way to think about that. I think there's even CGI in the Lord of the Rings that is noticeable, but like the majority practical in this movie does that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:10

There's a similar effect with like old school hand-drawn animation, like old school Disney animation compared to new, also I think looks better, in my opinion. There's just like more. I think I I almost think that because doing real work, like real you know, makeup and puppets and stuff like that is harder to do because it's harder and more time consuming, you end up putting more work into it, so it ends up looking better. I think there's a weird thing with like CG because it's so easy, they put less effort into it because it it feels like it should be easier, so it ends up ends up coming off worse.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

It's easy to rush because you can kind of make a 60% good enough looking CGI thing where it's a lot harder to fuck up uh a practical thing. It's also if the practical thing looks bad, you know it while you're filming. Whereas if something is going to look bad in CG, you only know that once it's out. And I think there's so many like big not even directors, it's more executives, to be honest, that kind of go like, all right, uh Robert Downey Jr., you're going to follow this green ball. Don't worry, it'll look good in post. And then whoopsies doesn't look good in post. Yep. Like it's so easy to kind of get away with it. You're like, I don't know, it'll look good eventually. And then you find out, no, it doesn't, where it's practical, you know if it looks good or not, because it's there in front of you. And they did that in this movie. It there's a lot of practical where they can, it looks really good. Like honestly, it's a breath of fresh air.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:43

Whenever you're doing like fantasy creatures and specifically aliens, I think there's always a fear of making the alien look too alien as if it's something that doesn't exist. Like, I can't pick up anything off the top of my head, but I feel like this has been like alien species before where it's like that thing just doesn't even look like it should be a thing. Rocky feels very like very much feels like something that could exist. Like, I I I believe it. It's when I'm watching it, I believe Rocky's an actual alien. They do a really good like sign of showing how it moves, how it communicates, how it hears. It all like makes sense. And even for the stuff that doesn't make sense for like Earth biology, it comes from a planet where the atmosphere is ammonia and they can make stuff out of solid xenon. So like there's a bit of like there's a stretch of disbelief there you need to have as well. Like, I always say, like, it's a dumb argument, and real scientists would never abide by this because it's just stupid. But like anything in the universe is technically possible until it's not. Like, yeah, for all we know, Superman could exist out there. True, like probab from our understanding, from our understanding of physics, probably not, but like they could, probably not.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

It's puzzled, you never know. Yeah, so no, I think Rocky looked great. I mean, at no point did it ever take me out of like, oh man, this this just doesn't look real. He looked totally real. Like no, it's I I I have little complaints about this movie. Yeah, do I think so much good about it?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:13

Dare I say that Rocky is Ryan's best love interest of all time?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

That might you might be uh right about that. Although, would that make them a thruple? Because Rocky's got a mate.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:25

Good point. That's a good point. Um, well, he can settle back for Emma Stone. She's close enough, Stone Rock, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

Ah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. I've definitely seen people.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

Well, okay, I feel like

Issues With Project Hail Mary

SPEAKER_02 1:11:36

before we go into topics, I feel like there was like a sort of like complaint or point of contention you possibly had with the movie that you were gonna bring up.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:45

Oh god. Was that the spot here? If not, there are two things I can talk about. You know, I might have said something. Oh, I think uh the thing I was talking about they they gloss over some things really quickly. I'm not even mad about that though. Um, I do think they kinda they're like, yeah, we can do near light speed travel, and it's kind of like yeah, alright. You know, I believe that. It's just the astrophage. Do you think they explained that well enough? I I I guess it's more the even if there's so much that goes that I feel like goes with it that like even if they could, if they know that they have the energy source, I don't know if anyone the speed at which they did it is well I think hard to believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

I think again, I'm willing to put past that. From what I've heard in the book, they explain it better that the project's been going on for like a quite a lot longer than it sort of feels like in the movie, and also the German lady Straft or Strat or whatever her name is, uh, she basically has like control of the entire world at that point in the movie. Like whatever she says globally goes. So like every single piece, every single dollar on the earth is hers to control, every single scientist, every single military thing is hers to control is basically what's described in the book. So like if there's something they want to do, she does it. Uh which is why they're which is why they're able to deal with this stuff so easily, I guess. Because she just has like complete global authority on everything. Um, and apparently that apparently in the book uh that basically people feel like she should be punished for the crimes that she did, because she did a lot of bad stuff, seemingly, or like a lot of stuff that like seems uh immoral to basically save the earth, but she's obviously fine with her choices. That's one thing. I think there's two parts in the movie last week I mentioned that I had slight maybe issues with. One I think has been solved by research, and the other I just want your opinion on. So, first of all, I one issue I came out of the movie with was sure, Ryan spent time uh understanding and translating Rocky's language so he could understand it. But there was never any point in the movie that showed how Rocky understood Ryan or Grace. Because the whole time Grace just speaks English to him, and Rocky just understands it almost straight away.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:04

I so I I know why the assumption. I know why now, but what do you think? Okay, I essentially made the assumption that while he had a translator, he also gave him a translator and just reversed it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:18

No. Oh. That's one, they would have shown that, I feel, if that was the case, but that's not what happened. So apparently, what happens, and I may have this wrong, so anyone who's like probably read the book tell me, but this is just what I saw. Apparently, um, Rocky, his brain is instead of like a human brain, it's like crystal-like structures, uh, which give insane, like ridiculous processing power and memory. They're basically like a computer, they have photographic perfect memory and can uh get a bunch of information super quickly, which is why Rocky's able to deal with these calculations and things super fast, make the stuff with his yeah with his Xeon very easily. So the explanation that's given roughly for why he can understand Grace so quickly is that just due to the insane processing power of his brain and memory, he just learns the language that fast. Huh. Like he straight up just learns English within like a few weeks or something from his none no understanding of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:17

It also probably helps to some degree the fact that like Ryan Gosling is looking at him and going, one, and then he says it back. So he can kind of reverse translate. He just has way better memory and like processing that. That is it. That's a human.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:31

Obviously, I'm okay with that. The thing of that that makes it difficult is that the the way their languages work are so different. Like, one is words being spoken, one is just sound waves. So it's quite a big difference. But I mean, Rocky's hearing is like impeccable, so like he can pick up on the sounds very easily and distinguish them. So like it it makes sense. It's basically like ChatGPT learning a language very quickly, like they pick up on it fast. So that was one thing I came out of the movie. Like, they didn't explain how Rocky understood right uh Grace. That's how just super super good memory and computing power of their brain, basically. So the other thing in the movie that I don't necessarily dislike, but I um I was unsure about how I felt it going through the movie was the story structure. So it doesn't have a very typical like start to finish one straight through line story structure. It goes back and forth between uh grace and space and then flashback scenes quite a lot for like the first 60% of the movie, 70% of the movie, like those flashback scenes, and I just didn't know how I felt about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:40

Uh do you want my opinion on it?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

Or yeah, because I know at times it felt like I don't know, it was good, but at times I f sometimes it felt like it was taking me out of like the tension of the space part and then putting me back. Yeah, I think it works in some ways, but I I don't know if it's bad, it's just very different to how other stuff like in Interstellar they just do like a straight start to finish linear story. This is very non-linear.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Yeah, I uh it's like linear and not linear, it's almost two different linear stories that they just pop back and forth to. I actually quite like that style because on one end you get the you get what's going on. So you get like the main storyline, which is him in the ship doing ship things, but then it's that there's also a they use the flashbacks as good uh foil to ex or a good like narrative explanation to things of like there might be something that comes up. Let's flash back to this moment where this thing happened. So it's for the audience's sake, you're slowly learning and learning, which I like. It's also and again, I think the book emphasizes it more than the movie does. There's kind of this mystery of like, he doesn't know how he ended up here. How did he end up here? And like you're kind of seeing like this kind of subplot slowly throughout the movie, a help explain what's going on in the movie, but B kind of slowly like it's almost more of a thriller than it is like a big sci-fi epic of kind of like what what's this thing that's going on? You kind of have two ends of a story that thematically are kind of similar in a way. Yep. I I really enjoyed it. I could understand where it could take you out. If anything, I find it as a good tension builder.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

Um, I do agree, I do agree delaying because if you did if you did it like just linear, the big plot twist of Grace being like knocked out, sent to space unwilling would happen like 40% through the movie, and then the whole point of him like having his memory loss wouldn't hit as strongly, it wouldn't be as interesting. So I understand delaying that. There are just maybe there are maybe some points where I felt like the going back and forth was maybe a little jarring. May it also just could be because it's not a typical story structure you see in movies very often, and it was just yeah, different to what I'm used to. I'm sure on a rewatch, uh, it won't bother me as much. But those are the only two things that I had in my mind after the movie is like possible negatives or contention points.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:15

Gotcha. Um, I I could kind of see it. I like that kind of story structure, anyways, but I also I love a good sci-fi, but I also love a good thriller. So you almost get a little bit of both in there, and it's that a lot of the times when they cut back, it was a good way to kind of explain to the audience what's going on on the grounded end of Earth versus in a spaceship. And I I I I like that kind of like slowly figuring out a mystery throughout a story.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:45

Yep. No, I agree. Um

Miscellaneous Notes

SPEAKER_02 1:19:47

uh do you want some do you want some sad news? Oh, I don't know if you've I don't know, but I think you're gonna give it to me. I don't know if you've seen this, but so the the planet that Rocky the planet that Rocky's from, it's called like uh Terrace B or some shit. Um it's something with a T and like B.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

Iridian or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:07

Yeah, Iridian A B or something. So it was when the book was written, it was based on a real like all the stars and planets are based on real planets and stars. Um but then like a year after the book came out, it was found that uh the telescopes were wrong and Rocky's planet actually doesn't exist. Oh no. So it was written because he thought it was they we thought it was real, but then they found out that um no, their calculations or something were wrong, and it's just not dang. So kind of depressing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:42

That was kind of sad. Yeah. Um yeah. Any any uh kind of extra notes? I feel like you had like a note or two that's kind of about the movie, but outside the movie. I mean, it was that wrap-up for the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:55

It was that. It was the fact that it was Ryan Gossing's like passion project, he bought the rights to the book previously.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:01

Um yeah, the voice actor was originally just like the master puppeteer, not someone that was actually cast to be the voice, and he just eventually found it out, which is really awesome. Like it's really nice when like because I feel like if this movie was uh produced by like just a random producer, like a big budget producer, that type of thing doesn't happen. They just get in Seth Rogan to be the voice of the fucking Rocky. Yeah. But the fact that Ryan produced it and he had his hands so deeply like into the makeup of the movie, he decided that yeah, the person who I'm spending all this time with, who is literally puppeting this guy, probably should be the voice of him. Uh, is a really good decision. Yeah. There's there's just like a lot of little things. I I think that's just why I love project like passion projects are way more interesting than big budget director movies. We talked about Iron Lung a little bit. I still haven't seen it, but I know it's like Mark Applier's passion project. Jack Septichai is making a bloodborne movie, which is crazy. Oh, cool. Um, and even though they're not like big directors with a lot of experience, even Ryan, I don't think, has like he's not the director, but he like I don't know if he's produced a lot before, but the fact that they like care so much about the material and put so much work into it, even if it's not like the same level of like quality as like a James Cameron or Spielberg or something, you can you can Chris Nolan. Chris Fnol, that's what I was thinking of. You can feel the passion and care emanating from the work, which I think is so much more important than you know, actual statistical quality.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

Yeah, I also I love I love when they cast people that aren't that well known because like they got good actors, and to some agree, sometimes it can help to almost like take pe like sometimes you see an actor, and instead of being like, Oh, that's the character, you go, that's the actor. Whereas it's kind of hard to do that because not a lot of these people are known. I mean, they've done things. Uh, one thing I didn't even fucking realize this the ATT ladies in this. All right. I don't know if I I don't you don't have ATT in Australia. No, I've heard of the ATT lady though. I've heard of uh it's that a lot of American commercials, especially I mean ATT isn't insurance, but almost every inch like a major insurance has some form of mascot. I think to help detract you from the uh the the reality that insurance is evil and and terrible, yep. Um, but a lot of these like big corporations that do a lot of commercials have either like a a some form of animal mascot or something or a a person mascot, and one of them is the ATT lady. And I was looking at um the cast and I was like, I was kind of looking at like her headshot. I'm like, I feel like she she looks like someone. She's the ATT lady. She plays I can't pronounce that, never mind. It's a like Slavic Russian kind of name. Uh she plays a character. I think she was maybe she was maybe Ilukina. Yeah, sure. I think she might have been the engineer. Yeah. I don't know. But like if you look at the the cast, again, it's not a big cast. I mean, there's more people, there's plenty of extras, but like the Google cast throws up like I don't know, 13 people. You know, apart from apart from Brian, I don't I don't know any of them. I don't recognize like any of these people. Like, I don't know if I've seen any of the movies that Sandra Huller's in. Although she I've heard of some of them, like Anatomy of a Fall. I feel like I've heard of that. That sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

Okay, now I do know Ken Leong, the uh the astronaut. He was in Lost.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:55

He kind of seemed oh he what I was like, he looks familiar. Yeah, but no, oh, he's in rush hour. That's where I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:02

I I will say there's a trend I've seen this on um Apple TV more than most other platforms, uh, and also like HBO Max. I really love the trend of having like one big actor as like the main person, and then everyone else is just completely unknown. Yeah, like I like that too. That happened with uh with uh uh foundation, the sci-fi show. Lee Pace is like one of the big main characters, and then everyone else is kind of like relatively unknown for the most part.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:31

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:31

Uh there's a TV show that's season four just started airing called From from the director of Lost. Lost. It's like a horror thriller show. I think it's fucking fantastic. Although season four for some reason has gotten really popular, and that means there are so many haters now for no reason that there wasn't before. Sure. But that show has um the main actor is I'm gonna do disservice, I can't remember his name. It's the black guy from Lost.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:56

Oh, I've never seen Lost.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:58

Um Harold Harold Perigno. Perino, don't know how to say his name. Uh, but he was he was in Lost, kind of like a main-ish cast member. He's like the main guy in From, and then everyone else is pretty unknown once again. Uh I really like the trend of having like one main actor to like familiarize yourself with or like draw in people. Yeah, um like I guess you could kind of say the same with the severance, like Adam Scott is like kind of the most popular person, and then like there's some of the other people in the show, I like know some of them, like the um the bigger guy, he's like a comedian actor. I've seen him in a few things, but like you know, that's a good thing to do. If Invincible did that, if they had Ted Lasso, Ted Lasso's a great example.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:38

Lasso's a good one of like Jason Sudakis, big actor, everyone else. You know, they're like they've been in the scene, but like maybe more British people would know some of the actors, but like I didn't recognize I didn't know anyone. I mean I knew Hannah Waddingham, but that's it. I I kind of knew Coach Beard in like small roles.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:59

I knew Keely because she's in a movie I I I watched when I was younger, Coco Jones.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:02

I hadn't seen either of them before.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:04

Um, but yeah, no, I think it's a really great trend. Invincible could have done that, they didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:08

It's something Invincible definitely could take some notes from, but whatever. Yeah, I'm still gonna watch it. I still like it. Um, yeah, I think that about wraps it up. I think I think we had um good things to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:20

You used Letterboxd. What did you give Project Hail Mary?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:23

Oh dude, I think I gave it like a 4.5 out of 10. Or 4.5 out of 5. Sorry. Sorry, don't come at me. Don't come at me. Oh, don't get me.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:32

Okay, so it's a 9 out of 10. That's good. I'd probably give it I I might give it a 9. Uh I saw I saw a guy on TikTok earlier yesterday or something. He made a a rating. He he uses Letterboxd as well, and he rated all of Ryan Gosling's films. He had Project Hail Mary as his 10th best film at a 3.5 out of 10.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:54

Hard disagree.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:56

He also had the nice guys as like 13th and a three out of ten or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:01

Dead to me. But I love that movie. I don't know. Sometimes people just like different things. Like I could see you being like, yeah, I didn't care for Project Hail Mary because you're just not into sci-fi. I enjoyed Oppenheimer, but I don't put rate it as highly as other people. I think it's a very good movie. I have absolutely no desire to rewatch that movie. Not out of not enjoying it, but god, it's fucking long. And it's about a thing that I kind of know what happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:32

That's how I feel about 12 Angry Men. I know it's like a classic good movie, but god, I was so bored.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:36

I need to I need to see that movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

I much preferred reading the play in English class than watching the film.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:42

Interesting. I haven't read the play either. I actually have I have very little knowledge of what that movie is. It's based on nonetheless, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:49

It's just 12 old guys in a courtroom deciding on someone should go to jail or not. And they and they discuss basically? Yeah, that's some of them. Um I think they just like discuss like based on like they go into like the characters' backgrounds and like how that influences their decisions and stuff like that. But like it's just it's literally the whole movie is like these 12 guys just in a like a room around a table talking about like uh should this guy be guilty or not? That's it. And it's a classic. I know it's good, but like I feel like I honestly I feel like if I watch The Godfather, I'll probably be bored as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:24

I've seen it once, but I was sick and slept through most of it, so that doesn't count. So yeah, um The Godfather is a long movie. Uh I felt the same with uh Scarface. I thought it was good and I see what people mean, but it's fucking long and it needs to shorten the time. I don't even I'm not even against long movies because uh Project Hail Mary was two and a half hours long, but there was stuff going on the whole time. Uh anyways, we we we don't need to go into it. Um but yeah, no, I I had a really good time with Project Hail Mary. Um any final comments from you, Dan, just in general before we uh send off the viewer.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:05

Yeah, uh movie was there we go, you got the thumbnail.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:14

That's good. How dare you! I hope you know you know why I'm doing this, right? That was in the movie! Sorry that took me a second. Um I my brain went a different direction. Yeah, for the audio listeners, I I put my thumb down. He put his thumb down, but in the movie, there's there's this whole bit where Ryan Gosling puts his thumb up and then the rock can't physically do it, so he puts his thumb down or what he has as a thumb.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:44

No, I will say it was a funny bit that I got the whole time you were doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

I will say the first time I went on TikTok after the movie and I saw someone saying this movie is thumbs down, I was like, what the fuck's wrong with it? Then I it took me like a second to clock. I was like, right, yes, got you.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:58

Okay, so it's not just Amaze, amaze, amaze words of encouragement.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:02

Amaze, amaze, amaze. Yeah, yeah. Um greater words of encouragement.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:06

Yeah. Yeah. Really good movie. If you haven't seen it yet, it it might still be in cinemas. It's it's leaving very soon though.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:12

So last week when we were talking about it, I was looking and it was cut, it was gonna go, it was gonna be out of theaters like two days later. And I was like, fuck, man, like I wanted to see this, like, I don't think I have time to see it. So I look on Saturday, it's back in theaters. I think they've extended it because it's doing so well.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:29

Yeah, so yeah, go see it as they should.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:31

Brilliant. Go see it, go see it. Um if you got any comments on the

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SPEAKER_00 1:31:37

movie, if you've seen it or invincible, let us know in the comments if there's anything you want us to talk about or anything you want us to see. Let us know in the comments. Yeah, and uh, we will see you later.