We're Loving The Cinemas Right Now! | Objectively Bad Podcast #85

Welcome to the 85th Episode of the Objectively Bad Podcast! 

In todays episode we wish Dan a belated happy birthday, figure out a way for him to avoid stalking at PAX and our thoughts on some recent movies that have been released!

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Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Welcome back, gamers and gameets. It's your boy bo boy Grill and Cheese here. That was an intro I came up with my head two minutes ago. It makes no sense. Don't worry about it. Um hi, how you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Hi Dan. Uh I'm I'm Chad, and this is Dan. Dan, why do you look like fucking Emperor Palpatine over here? Um, I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

I haven't seen Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

God damn it.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

I no, I I think I think I know who it is. It's the one that has lightning guys. No, you do know who it is because you just said Is it the lightning guy? Like it's the lightning guy. Cool. I actually like I know a surprising amount of the characters, even though I've never seen the movies. I've played the Lego games, so that that helps.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Lego games are goaded.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Yeah, I like the I like General Grievous as he's the robot with four lightsabers. He's pretty he's pretty good. Good job, buddy. Yes, he is. Um I look like General Grievous because one, my eyes look worse than usual because I struggled to sleep. So these they help with with that. Hoodie, hair look bad. Also, kind of a vibe. Do we not agree? I kind of fucked with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Let us know in the in the comments if Dan is a vibe right now or if he should get it together.

SPEAKER_04 1:10

Should I should I open a Tinder profile and just every photo is me in this outfit in different poses in the dark, in like dark alleyways around the city?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Would it be successful? I would be worried if it was.

Should Dan Cosplay At PAX?

SPEAKER_04 1:24

I think I honestly think you'd get more matches, like more likes, just people being intrigued. Like what's just pure curiosity. What's going on with this guy? Yeah. Could work. Maybe. Or you'll get some real weirdos. Yeah. Well, speaking of weirdos, uh, my viewers, so I'm going to to PAX later this year. Um, we'll probably be going all three days for the first time. I've only ever gone one day before, but uh, there's a lot of creators meeting up, and I'm gonna be a part of it. I'm gonna be part of the community, yay. Well so and like I I'm I'm slightly mildly concerned of being uh stalked and harassed. Not seriously, but jokingly, but also kind of seriously. Who knows what could happen? There's a lot of people there. Um do I do I dress up in like some in some like real uh intriguing cosplay so no one recognizes me? Is that the play?

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Uh when is Pax? October how much time do you have?

SPEAKER_04 2:22

13th or something?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Oh, okay. You got plenty of time. Um you could be fun.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

I mean do I go on a Shrek costume?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Shrek costume could be good. Also get a hyper realistic mask of just your face, so that at some point it's you, and then you can rip the mask off, and it's just still you. That's a great idea. Could be fun. Could be. Or could be a good time.

SPEAKER_04 2:53

How about this? Um, I get a hyper-realistic mask of me, and then another YouTuber gets a hyper-realistic mask of him, and we switch the masks, and we and we can't. Oh we have a bit of fun.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

You and you and TGG just like switch, me and speed. Yeah, you and speed. Uh, because you look so similar, anyways. Of course. Yes. It just works out. Is speed gonna be there? No. Okay, I don't think so. No. What what's like the highest profile person that would be at PAX in Australia specifically?

SPEAKER_04 3:27

Like a laser beam or or Lochlin from the from the power crew.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Oh, I love those guys.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

Yeah, yeah, they're friends with the Sidemen. Lock uh Lannon played in the Sidemen charity match recently and he missed a penalty in the shootout, which made them lose. So yeah, he kind of fucked it.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

I didn't know they were friends with Sidemen.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

Yeah, they play like Among Us with them and do shenanigans.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Yeah, they're I've watched I've been watching them for like years. They're awesome. Yeah, because like uh Fairbarn films or Fairbarn? I don't remember. Am I right? Are we are we thinking the are we thinking the wrong people? Am I talking about the wrong people?

SPEAKER_04 4:00

Different people, different people.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

The Fairbarn Brothers is a group of two Australian comedians from like fucking Laser Beam's like a Fortnite massive YouTuber with like 20 million subs or some shit. Uh-huh. And Lachlan wasn't all like he used to be like a Minecraft YouTuber that was in like Vic's Minecraft crew, and now he does Fortnite.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

It's that one of the guys is named Lachlan and is also Australian. And I figured there could only be one.

SPEAKER_04 4:28

No, there's many.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Damn. Relatively common. Yeah. Really? I mean, it's not a bad name.

SPEAKER_04 4:36

I just Yeah, they go by Lockheed, usually.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

That sounds right. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

Lannon, on the other hand, Lannin is a very weird. I've don't know anyone else who called Lanin. Yeah, I'm that's a weird one. Yeah. Yeah, they'd be up there in terms of like the most popular like famous people that would come to Pax Australia. Okay. I've also seen like um uh there's there's a fucking famous streamer that that is known for getting in trouble. It came here like two years ago and got kicked out. Jake Paul. Not that I know of, but could have been. Yeah, because look because Lochlin Lochlin uh owns a like a gaming company called Power, PWR, and they like go to PAX as like a event. They had like a dodgeball game or something a couple years ago. Oh nice. Yeah. Um so don't know how I got on that train. Sure. Talking about packs? Yeah, talking about Sith World Cosblaze.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Um yeah. Uh Dan, something's coming up, right? I've there's rumors of something coming up. Hopefully not in the near future.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

My little guy. I I don't know. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired first. God damn it. Sorry, I I woke up like very close to before this podcast. My brain's not that long ago. My brain's not working. I slept to my expecting it. And luckily woke up. So yeah.

LankManDan More Like UncManDan

SPEAKER_01 6:01

This is what you get. Anyways, your birthday's coming up. Technically, when this comes out, your birthday will have already come up.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Yep. Um, my birthday's tomorrow for me, yesterday for the podcast viewers. Well, day before, maybe. Yeah, yeah. I'm turning the big 25, which uh oh, as my mother said on phone last night, oh my god, that's half a century. I love your mother. Um, that's so funny. And then my dad had to explain to her for like a minute, like, no, that's that's not half a century, that'd be 50.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

You know, it's the thought that counts.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

Yeah, no, it really is. I felt I felt good being called 50. That was great.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Um, I I knew it. You yeah, it's one of those people's like, I got it, I got an old soul. I was born in the wrong generation. That's you.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Dude, the amount of well, it it's happened twice, which if I had if I had a coin for every time it happened twice, I'd have two coins, which is not a lot, but it'd be weird to happen twice. Um, twice in my life I've had like psychic, psychic women basically say that me and my dad are old souls that have lived previous lives, and my mother's a new soul. This happened like once when I was like 10 and once at a wedding I was at a couple years ago. They're like, You're an old soul. You like worked on the pyramids and you were in these great wars. Well, I can tell you're very like esteemed, smart, intelligent, wisdomist, wisdomist, that's a word, uh, man. And I'm like, Alright, you've had enough to drink for tonight. Let's stop this.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

So is it like someone who is like, oh, they're a psychic, they're a fortune teller, like they kind of do it for a job, or did someone just walk up to you and they're like No, these are people.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

One of them was like an ex-family friend, ex cause shoots crazy. Um, and the other one was uh a family member's like uh in-law, like married in an in-law family. And both of them were just like unprompted, were like, because that I think like the f I don't know about the second time it happened, but the first time it happened, she was the type of person that would like walk into a room and like speak to the dead people in there. Like she'd be like, Oh, I see your your mother in there. And like sometimes it's like kind of weirdly accurate, but I feel like they just again they just say sort of like it's like star signs, they say something vague enough that it would usually fit.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Sure, you say something vague that could potentially be correct a good amount of the time, and the other people can, if they believe, can project what they're thinking and like what they're saying.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Like, hey, if spirits do exist and they actually speak to their people, fair play. Good few. I don't believe it. Sure, but fair play. Um, yeah, both times, yeah, both times they're um both these ladies were like me and my dad are like old souls that have lived multiple lives, my mother is like a new soul. I don't know if they're just calling it stupid or something, but um yeah, like what does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 8:47

I I love the fact that like I feel like when you call a young person an old soul, first of all, that doesn't mean you've lived multiple lives. That just means like you do things that old people do, kind of like oh, you're a homebody, you sit at home and you you read a book or whatever. Like, I feel like or like yeah, you like old music or whatever. I've it's so I don't even think it's accurate. Also, does that mean that like you know, reincarnation is real, but not for your mom?

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Well, I guess it's just her first time around, whereas like we've we've had multiple reincarnations.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

But like if that brings up so many questions about reincarnation, because does that mean not everyone's reincarnated? Someone is just truly a new soul.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

I guess so.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Weird.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Yeah, I don't really know how they how those people predict or like how they can quote unquote tell. Because like it seems like they believe it, so like they must have some gen genuine method of like telling whether someone's an old soul or not. Uh yeah, fuck knows.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

We gotta get behind us. I also it is funny that they like they called you an old soul, and then they also called your dad an old soul. I'm not calling him old. But like, he's not young. Yeah, like it's a weird thing. It'd be like if you walked up to a 20-year-old and you're like, you got a young soul, and it's like, yeah, it's cause I am.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

No.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

I guess I guess the the oldness of the soul is not like six years, it's like six hundred.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

But yeah, you built the pyramids.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

Yeah, I don't know, yeah. No, that I have been told that.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

I'm shocked this person didn't believe the aliens built the pyramids.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

I mean, who's to say we're not aliens, Chad?

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Damn. Really makes you think.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

Just dropping some knowledge bombs on you right there.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Just dropping some pure wisdom on me.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

Yeah, I did say wisdomess. I am very wistimous. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Just secreting wisdom right now.

SPEAKER_04 10:47

I'm always secreting something.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Mm-hmm. Moist with wisdom.

Project Hail Mary (Spoiler Free)

SPEAKER_04 10:52

Mm-hmm. True. Uh, let's move from that. I don't uh um uh speaking about space, we'll talk about this more next week. But uh I saw Project Hail Mary in cinemas recently. Uh, you're planning to see it soon, so we can go into detail. I won't say any spoilers for this part, so if you're still wanting to watch it, do not worry. Uh, it was really good though. I I had a I had a very good time. Personally, on first watch, if I rewatch it or think about it more, it may change. But right now, I still think Interstellar's better as like a space movie. I'd give it Intercellar like a 9 to a 9.5 sort of rating. I'd probably give Project Hail Mary like an 8.5 sort of inner round there. Um I I have like one or two like little nitpicks that one of them might just be from me being dumb or something, but um, we can discuss them when you watch the movie because one of them's a bit spoilery. Um the other one is more so like a uh a pacing issue, not pacing, I don't know how to scribe it. Like the you understand the way the movie is shot is very interesting, and I don't know if that follows how the book is written or not, because I haven't read the book. Um, but it's a very it's not like it's not a very typical story structure. It's like very interesting the way they do it. Um and it's it's not necessarily bad, it's very different. And I was trying to think if I if I like it or not.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

Um, it's not like it's not linear, I guess is the best way to say it.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Would you say it's a little bit more of a lighthearted version of Interstellar in a way?

SPEAKER_04 12:21

Um, I would say the stakes the stakes are probably just as high. Okay. Um, and there are there are definitely some lighthearted moments of it. Like there's a lot more comedy and like Ryan Gosling being being him, you know. Sure. But I honestly there's in terms of just like pure emotional stakes, I probably think it reaches maybe higher emotional stakes than Interstellar at some points. Okay, different types of emotions, like Interstellar, like the emotions it reaches are sort of like cosmic scale like fear that like you know everything's crashing around you. Like there's some pretty intense scenes. This one is more it feels more personal at times, even though he even though like he's trying to save like the fucking solar system and shit. Some of the some of the most emotion emotional moments are like very personal, like so it's it's it's it's very well done. Like the visuals are really great. Um, it's very very good movie. Um yeah, yeah, we can discuss it more when you see it.

The Drama

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yes, yes. I because I do I do want to get through it without spoilers, so yeah, we'll we'll discuss it at some point. Um, I also watched a movie, and it is funny because I went into theaters and I was like, uh, I was torn. I because I wanted to watch Project Kilmary. I still might soon comes out, it leaves theaters soon. I actually think by the time this is out, it might be out of standard theaters, at least where I'm at. Um, another movie that came out that is also out of theaters soon, so I had to pick between the two. Uh was called The Drama. Have you seen anything about this?

SPEAKER_04 13:54

Uh, I only think because you told me it was a Zendaya Robin Patterson movie. I didn't know what the title was. All I know is that Tom Holland's being memed for being being like a cut humiliation ritual again.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

It's so funny because I like the thought comes up, but he's not. He he married an actress and then she's acting in things. Yeah. She just happens to be like a romantic. I mean, it's uh, I don't know what it is. It's a drama. Really? Whoa. Yeah, maybe I wouldn't say thriller, but like so let I'll I'll tell you the premise, kind of from I'll kind of go in a almost chronological order of like starting with the trailer. So the trailer, it's it's Zendea, it's Robert Pattinson, they're they're getting married, they're engaged, and you know, they seem to be like a pretty good couple, pretty normal, like I'm sure they have their issues, but like they seem to get along pretty well, and then they're out doing like a food tasting with some of their friends, and their friends, um it's it's just it's the two couples, but the other couple, they were talking, they're like, oh, like something that we did before we got married was we said the worst thing that we've ever done to each other. Right. And then we never talked about it again. Of course they talked about it again, because they told the stories. And um but then it's essentially Zend uh I I don't actually remember in the trailer if they say it, but it's Zendaya's character says something and everyone's like, oh, that's horrifying. And then stuff ensues. Yeah, it gets stressful, people are having a hard time. So that's the trailer. Um, in case you didn't get the memo now, I'm going to spoil the movie heavily. So if you're gonna watch it, which I do recommend, skip ahead. Stop. Yeah, yeah, skip ahead. We'll have time, Sam. Skip ahead. Um, so I'm watching the movie, and you you get a little bit more of an intro. Like the movie starts out, and it's like it's kind of an interesting way of doing it of like they're both telling their vows, and through their vows, you're getting introductions to the character. So it's like rubber patents and like, oh, like I think I'll start with like the first time we met, and like a little bit of like, and it's like the meat cute, like you know, he found her. Um he kind of saw her at a coffee shop and was like, Oh, like, I don't know, I just I just like I would just wanted to talk to you. And he was like, Oh, I love the book that you're reading. He had never read it. Um uh she's deaf in one ear, so he's talking to her like, oh, like I never like kind of like really awkwardly, like he's kind of an awkward character, not too much, but like it it he could be a bit awkward, you know. He's he's talking to her, and um, she kind of looks at him, she's like, What? Because she just did not hear him whatsoever. Because she's reading this book, deaf in this ear, uh uh earbud in this ear, but he doesn't see it, and he sees that his ear is clear, so he just starts talking. Um, but it's like cute. She's like, Do you just want to redo that? And he walks over back to the table he was sitting at, sits there for a second, and then comes back up, and then it's like so like the beginning starts, it's kind of going through like some of the early moments in the relationship, like kind of why they like each other, and like they seem like a good pairing. They're both you know, late 20s, early 30s.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

And then we found out it's the day of the 9-11.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

No, um, and so you know, they're plot twists. She pulls a mask off, she is Bush. Um and then it's actually George W. Bush Jr. Or just George George W. Bush, uh just acting the entire rest of the movie as himself. That'd be fucking hilarious. Um, no, so they're so they're kind of going through this, and then they get to the moment where they're meeting up. It's pretty early in the movie, like probably I don't know, 15 minutes in, maybe. Okay, damn. They get to it pretty quickly. And they're talking, and the other couple's like, oh, like, you know, we did this thing where we talked about the worst thing we did. Uh the one guy was essentially like a question.

SPEAKER_04 18:18

Is it the worst thing they did as a person or the worst thing they did towards the other person?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

No, no, no, as a person. Okay. Well, it's because it's kind of like a they're admitting, like, oh, this is something terrible that I did that like you don't know about, yeah. Kind of a thing. So uh so the guy basically is like he he was on a date with like a different girl before, like you know, he got with his wife. Um, and they're like in Mexico, and she was kind of drunk and like kind of annoying, and essentially, like a dog started attacking, and he used her as a human shield. Oh god, which isn't great, but it's you can come back from that. She couldn't it's embarrassing, but I don't think I sit here and go, like, oh, you're a terrible person. Like, if everything else about you is redeemable, it's like, okay, you were stupid, yeah. Um, whatever. And then the girl is like, she's like, Yeah, when I was, I don't know, like in high school, I was hang like I maybe babysitting or hanging out with this kid who I think she was even like kind of inferred that he was slow, as she said he was slow, that's her words. Um, like, oh, and he was kind of annoying, and he took her to this like abandoned like trailer park in the woods. And I think she was getting fed up with him, and she was like, Hey, go in this closet. He went in there, and she locked him in the closet, and then he was like banging on the door and like trying to get out, and so she just left. And they found him, and like the police came and they were like, Did you see him? And she was like, No. Um, they found him eventually, okay, but like a day later. He's alive. So you're kind of sitting here like, okay, that's pretty bad, actually. Like, that's kind of that's kind of fucked up. Yeah, um, that character's name is Rachel. I remember her because she'll come up. Um, I don't remember the other guy's name. Doesn't really matter. Ross. Um probably sure. True. Uh Robert Pattinson comes up. He's basically like, I don't know. He's like, I can't think of anything that I've done. And they're like, that's stupid. And he's like, no, he's like, I don't know. He's like, I don't know. I've probably cyberbullied someone. He kind of gave an answer that I couldn't tell if it was a cop out and real, or if like if it was real or nothing.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

If I had to answer this question, I don't know what I'd say either. Like, I don't know what I'd say either. I think the worst thing I've done is probably like uh taken a joke too far and hurt someone's feelings. Like, I haven't really done anything like seriously bad, like stolen my parents' I haven't even still they gave me their card information. I spent more money than I should have, you know, like that type of thing. I haven't done anything really that bad.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

It's like I I was like, yeah, to another person, I don't think I've done anything really that bad, at least that I can think of.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

Yeah, like the worst thing would just be like doing stuff that I'm disappointed in myself, like getting too drunk or like yeah, you know, do that type of shit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

And a lot of that kind of stuff is like stuff I did in high school, and I'm willing to basically be like, yeah, I was stupid in learning and growing. Like I cringe about it, I'm embarrassed about it, but I'm not that yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Like when Chad when Chad was vehemently racist in high school, and he didn't like any of the other uh colors whatsoever. And he just every single time he saw one of them, he spat at the ground and gave him a side eye.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

The crazy things that I did.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Yeah, surprised Alan's stuck around.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, it's really he's really dedicated. Uh he saw my potential. Um, I got better. Um, I didn't do that. Uh gotta throw that out there just in case. Yeah, you never know. Um, yeah, Robert Patton kind of throws that. He's like, I don't know, I probably cyber bullied someone. He was like, Yeah, I like cyberbullied someone enough that they like moved, but he didn't really elaborate and he was like, I don't know. I don't know. And it's he's like, maybe it was just a coincidence. Like there was other stuff going on. So they get to Zendaya. Now, before I tell you, what do you think she could have done that is so bad?

SPEAKER_04 22:14

Well, it's it's so bad that they spend the next fucking hour and a half of the movie talking about it, right? Pretty much. Okay. To a degree. I mean, like, the easy answer would be like, you know, rape or murder. Okay. I feel like that that they're too easy for like this premise. I feel like it'd just be like, you're insane, I'm calling the cops. Yeah. But how does the okay to how how does the movie like continue? Is the rest of it like them sitting at the dinner table, sort of talking about it, or does like days and weeks go by?

SPEAKER_01 22:47

So it goes so it's like a week before the wedding, and it is multiple instances leading up till the wedding.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Okay. Like that that sort of stem from this issue that she mentioned.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Yes. What I will say is from everything we've established so far, they are both good, nice people. They both have good jobs. They don't I think Robert Pattinson's like an art curator. I don't even know if they say what Zendaya does, but she works at like, I don't know, like a marketing firm or something like that. Seems to be pretty nice people, pretty regular people. Like they're not, I will also say they're not presented as perfect people, which is almost better in my eyes. Because I feel like if a movie presents someone as perfect, you're waiting for the curtain to drop. Uh, whereas like they're presented as very normal late 20, early 30-year-old people. Like they have opinions, but like nothing crazy, nothing.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Um, well, well, stemming off of the prediction that she's George W. Bush, how about instead she's uh uh Jelaine Maxwell?

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Oh, not that. Um do you do you want to keep guessing, or do you want me to just tell you?

SPEAKER_04 23:53

I mean, uh, the only like apart from like murder and stuff, the only thing that comes to my mind, which is probably wrong, but I'll just say it because I'm thinking it is that like she's like stolen someone's identity and is living a double life.

Spoilers, What She Did

SPEAKER_01 24:04

That would be crazy. That's not what happened. Um, you're not far off from murder. Okay, kind of.

SPEAKER_04 24:13

She has someone trapped in a basement, she tortures them.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

So she no. So she starts telling so she's like, yeah, so when I was a kid, I almost did a mass shooting. Oh. And they're like, they're like, ah, yeah, whatever. And she's like, no, I almost did. And they're like, oh, like you considered it, like you, you know, you you fantasize, and she was like, No, I brought my dad's rifle to school. Like I was I was ready to do it. Damn. Um, and it's so essentially she says this once they kind of realize they're serious. The Rachel character gets super pissed. She's like, my cousin got shot in like a mass shooting, like she's paralyzed. Like, you how dare you fucking say that to me? Like, kind of going off. I'm sitting here going like it's bad, but but chill, you haven't gotten all the details. But like, you you start to learn throughout the movie that like she was close, she was very much fantasizing about it. She it was like the character, I think when she was like 14 or 15, um, she had like moved to like a new state, had no friends, was getting bullied, and so they're the option clearly is to get the rifle. So the only option while living in America is to do a mass shooting. No, it's not, but there was some argument that was made in the movie of like there's so much about it that you could see where like people get to that point. Um, but she was like, Yeah, no, I was I was gonna do it. I think the reason she didn't was another mass shooting happened that day, and she was like, Well, I can't I can't do that. She was like, Ah, the slot for today's been taken. Gonna wait. Yeah. What? Okay. So, but she like fantasized, she was recording like videos of herself, like with the gun, like, I'm gonna fucking shoot up the school, I'm gonna fucking kill like naming people, like because it because it does a lot of flashbacks. Um, and then you slowly learn that like she very clearly learned from it. Um, after the the other mass shooting that it happened at a mall in their town, um, you know, like uh someone made a committee or something that like like a high schooler made like a group that's like we're gonna make a group that's like against gun violence, and they invited her and she was like sure. And essentially she frowned friendship, became incredibly anti-gun. Um and then from there just kind of like became more normal because she had like her kind of group of friends that she had, and then she went on about her life. So the rest of the movie is so they have like a full like at the dinner table, they have like a fight because the Rachel characters like pissed, and everyone else is kind of like what the fuck, but not necessarily like ready to throw hands yet. Rachel characters like fuck you, like how dare you personally, which like she's taking it personally.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

I'm not it's which, but also the Zendaya character didn't know that her sister or friend was paralyzed, like you don't know that. Like, yeah, I will say she didn't do it, she didn't do it. She was good at all. She fucking you like the other couple prompted them to say their worst stuff. You can't you can't you can't go up to someone tell me the worst thing you've ever done and then and then not expect them to say something bad.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I get like yeah, then they say something bad and you're like, what the fuck? And it's like you literally asked me. So I'll I'll kind of go through the movie a little bit and then we can bring up opinionslash like the moral conundrum. Sure. So they fight, she ends up, I think she ends up she got like too drunk and like vomited, but they were at like a dinner where they were doing a ton of wine testing tasting. I think it was kind of gonna happen anyways. Uh, but definitely like fighting with someone and having drunk a decent amount. She throws up. There's a lot of throwing up in this movie. Lovely. There's multiple scenes of it. Um, so they go home, it's very clearly tense because it's like the person you knew for, I think they were together for like, I don't know, three years-ish, maybe two, like two, three years. You know, getting engaged. She's like, I've known you for years, and like we tell each other stuff, and like this is crazy. Like, were you never gonna tell me this? Like, this is something I didn't know about you. They kind of start talking about it, they go to bed, they wake up the next morning, he kind of asks a bunch of questions. Um, she's answering them, and like, not not, it's not like she's answering them in the like in the worst way, but I feel like there is a quicker and better way to have explained herself. And then I feel like people would be like, Okay, sure. Here's the deal it's a movie. There wouldn't be a conflict if that was happening. Yep. Um, but I also don't think she was explaining herself in a bad way, it's not like she was like missing information, she was just like, This is what happened, and he was like, Oh, at one point he's like, Oh, there must have been like something traumatic happened in your life, right? And she's like, No. He's like, Didn't like your neighbor die in like a car accident and you saw it? And she's like, I didn't see it, and like I was kind of friends with them, so it wasn't that traumatic. And like he was trying to kind of find more reason, and she was like, Yeah, of course, like like at one point he asked, like, oh, like what made you stop? Like, was it that you just realized, like, no, this is a bad thing, I can't do it? And she's like, I stopped because someone else did it before me. And he's like, Okay, um, I kind of wish her character would be a little more like, Look, I was super depressed as a kid, like I didn't have a calling. This was something that was in the media and was like fascinating in like a bad way, and then I learned and I got better and I've grown, and I've not, you know, done that. Obviously, she had made comments where she's like, you know, I'm not gonna do this. I haven't thought about it again.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

But it's like it's like it's like every red story, it's like no one has good communication for some fucking reason.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

I think the I think the communication, the communication in this one is better than most, but it's like if you had perfect communication, it probably would have been solved quicker, but also there wouldn't have been a movie. Yeah, exactly. What I will say is everything else around the movie was very interesting. There, there's a lot of just little moments where there's something mentioning either a gun, gun violence, whatever, that's like keeps ticking at them. The other big thing that kind of causes a lot of stress is they're a week out from their wedding, and they have a ton of different stuff, so they don't have an entire week to just like sit there and talk it out and figure it out. Because I think they would get there, they'd they would talk it out, they'd get through it. So the wedding is causing pressure because otherwise you'd sit there, maybe like do a bunch of talking therapy stuff, but you just can't really exactly like literally at one point they're talking, and then like an alarm goes off, they're like, Fuck, we gotta go to the photographer, and then the photographer's going through the shot list, and so she's like, Alright, first I'll shoot you, then I'll shoot you, then I'll shoot your dad. It's funny, it's a funny movie, but also like I was tense the entire time after you find out that she almost did a mass shooting. Yep. Um, but it it but there's little funny moments where you can just see Zadea's just sitting here like stop fucking talking, but she also doesn't want to say anything because like it's a hard thing to be like, hey, I'm sensitive about this, stop saying the word shot. Yep. Um, and there's also like not even there's tension in herself, there's tension between the two of them. So you kind of go through the movie, there's more tension. Um, and then it kind of they get to the wedding, and then the wedding kind of blows up. Um trying to think if there's any more details for the moral conundrum because there's like more to the movie. Uh the wedding blows up, Robert Pattinson ends up like kind of cheating on her in a weird way. Essentially, he's taking on a lot of a stress because he's trying to just like digest it, and he's like kind of getting there, but he's also like there's so much stuff going on, and he's like, I'm just having a hard time like taking this all in correctly. Of course. Uh, and he ends up like breaking down, like he he asked someone, he kind of throws the hypothetical that's like kind of clearly very specific, where he's like, He was talking to his coworker and he was like, So, like, you've been dating your boyfriend for multiple years, and she's like, Yeah, and he's like, What would you do if he said he almost did a mass shooting? And she's like, Well, I'd probably call the police, and he's like, Fuck, I needed you to not say that, yeah. Like, he's like, That's the wrong answer, and I disagree because it depends how long ago it was.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

If it was like last year, then probably maybe do it.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Yeah, especially like if you told we'll get into the rational, or we'll get into the thoughts. I um with with the movie, so he he ends up like almost cheating or kind of cheating on her. Like he goes to his office, she kind of follows him, he kind of breaks down crying. She like consoles him by just putting like a hand on him. I don't know. He he like kisses her, and then they kind of they make out for like half a second, and then they kind of like get to the point where they're like about to have sex, and then he's like, Okay, no, I can't like what am I doing? Like, I have to stop this. It it's almost a weirdly good thing that that happens because now they kind of both have dirt on each other. Um, so they get to the wedding, wedding is tense. Uh, Rachel, the character who was super mad at Zendaya, is the bridesmaid, don't know why. She's still a bridesmaid, sure. Um, gets drunk, gives a toast. I thought she was just gonna straight up say it. She didn't, but she kind of alluded to it. Um, and then at one point, Zendaya walks out, she hears Robert Pattinson's co-worker uh say like the words mass shooting, like kind of at out of earshot. Yep. Um, the same co-worker that he almost cheated on her with, or like kind of did. Um, so she's like, All right, like we need to talk. Like, I want to make sure like this Rachel character isn't like telling everyone. So she brings Robert Pattinson and the coworker into a room, and she's like, Alright, like we just need to talk about something. And she just immediately goes, like, look, he came on to me. And Zinde's like, sorry, the that's not what we were talking about. What? So then Robert Pattinson's like, yeah, I kind of cheated on you. They leave, they kind of sit down at their table, and they're like, they're not in a good mood, and then the um the best man comes up, he's kind of like organizing stuff. He's like, Alright, now we're gonna hear from the brad and the groom. The the brad's like, no, and Robert Pattinson's like, Alright, I'll give a speech. Gives the worst speech in history. Um, he fumbles it completely, like he doesn't remember a speech whatsoever. He's super nervous and anxious, he's saying all the wrong things. I think at one point he breaks down crying and does say that he cheated. Um lovely. I think he I don't know if he said mass shooting, but he definitely alluded to it. Uh he and he was at a point where he was feeling bad. He was like, I don't deserve you, like I fucked up to everyone. Okay. Um, and then it it ends with kind of weirdly, they they both met in a diner. They didn't talk about meeting in a diner, but they met at this diner near their house. So he goes there, he's like heartbroken, he's been trying to call, he's been trying to contact her. Like, she won't talk to him. Well, do they get married though? Oh, yeah, they got married. This was like they did the ceremony and everything. Okay, all of the drama comes after the ceremony. Um, it's it's like during the dinner. Um, like they're doing toasts and stuff. So they leave. It's clearly a fiasco. The guy, the his co-worker's boyfriend, like headbutts him. So he's like bloody, he's he's like like black eye and all that kind of stuff. Um, so he he's just drought. He goes to this diner that they had like joked about going to after the wedding. He sits down, and then she happens to walk in, and then they they don't resolve it, but it's like an ambiguous ending of like she does she does the thing where they did at the very beginning of the movie where she was where she kind of did the like let's start over, hi my name is Emma.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

And then it's like they they talk a little bit, they laugh, and then it just like cuts it back.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Um, I really enjoyed it. It had a lot of really cool subtlety, it had a lot of really cool like film, it was stressful the entire time. It was a very good dramatic movie.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Yep.

An Interesting Moral Dilemma

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Um so I recommend seeing it. I mean, I've spoiled it to you, but like, it's a good movie. If you wait like a couple of months once it's out in streaming, then you might forget it. But uh, I want to talk about the moral dilemma here a bit because essentially the thing that I had the question was if you were dating someone, if you knew someone for multiple years, this could even apply to us, so it doesn't have to be like a relationship thing. But a friendship is easier to break than a relationship, sometimes, depending on how it is. If they told you when they were in high school that they planned and intended on doing a mass shooting, what do you do with that?

SPEAKER_04 37:34

Oh, it's tough, man. I'm gonna take it from the perspective of a relationship just because that's what the movie was, and also I feel like you're you're closer with the person you're in a relationship with and your friends usually. Like I feel they have a more significant imp like with a with a friend, like no matter how close you are to them, you can like keep distance and keep it like casual. You can't really keep it casual.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

Um god if it's if it's a similar situation to them where I'm getting married in a week, I don't know, that's fucking difficult. But if say that's not the case, and I just find out like randomly. I don't know, man. I I'd find it because obviously school shootings are quite a common uh sadly a common thing in America. So people there might be more willing to deal with it, like just because they're so used to it being a thing. Being somewhere where that's not the case, like I can't even like the type of person who would do that in Australia, you can't even like fathom someone doing that here. It's like I would be extremely like thrown off by it. I like I mean, yes, they are they're 14-15 when they're planet, and say they're my age, 25, it's been 10 years. That is enough time to grow. You are stupid when you're younger. But also, I I also feel like 14-15 is still older. Like, you are you are dumb and immature, but you're also old enough to know what you're doing. Like, like she knew like she was going in there to kill people, like she understands that. Maybe she doesn't understand the consequences of really what that how that affects her life long term, but she knows what she was doing. Um I would find it very difficult to move forward from there. If I if I if I love the person enough, maybe it'd be like even though you've said, even though you've told me you've moved past it, you joined the anti-gun like group and everything, and you're against it, I would still need to like I would still need them to go to therapy, I need them to go to couples therapy with me. I need to like see it consistently over time. Because what you said about like the reason well the reason she said that she wanted to shoot up the school was that she was very lonely, had no friends, and she's in this new place. That tells me that that person gets very uh I can't think of the word. Like when she's lonely, doesn't have solid connection, whether it be friends, family partners, they break down and sort of lose the plot very easily. Like they they sort of need external validation to not want to shoot up a school. So, like what happens 15 years down in the relationship where maybe you move away to a new city with your partner, she knows nobody, maybe she's not well, you're not in the honeymoon period anymore, she's not that happy with you. Is she gonna is she gonna fall back into that sort of mentality? Maybe not school shooter period, but like, is she going to harm me? Is she going to harm a kid? Like that's that's concerning because like the whole thing that Robin Pattern was doing of like trying to find a trauma reason for her doing that, I think is like the right thing. Like if she if her parent died, or like someone at school like beat her up to the pulp, like that's a more reasonable explanation for like why you'd want to get back at them. But like it you were just a bit lonely. Everyone gets a bit lonely, man. Like, I I moved to I moved like we both moved to a new school in like middle high school, and I never thought of doing anything like that. I moved to a new school, I didn't speak the language of the country. Like, yeah, so I know everyone's different, but like that's that's intense. I I don't know, I I would struggle to come back from that.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

It's a tough one because it's like it's the thing of all of the other evidence. If you take out that, and it's not to say that that's small enough to take out, but if you take out that one piece of knowledge, all of the evidence is like they're a good person, they're always empathetic, they're very nice. Like he had written vows, and in the vows, he's like, she's kind and she's nice, and she's like this really good person, and she's really outspoken about like you know, political issues she believes in that like he really agrees with. It's it's a tough one because on one end, you can to to some degree there is the like, oh well, you know, she was in high school, she was like, I think it was 14 or 15, like freshman in high school, like move to a new place, like you're not necessarily the same person, you can learn and grow from it. It is a big thing. I personally think if that is the only time that they've done that and they've never had any consideration of doing it again, I think I could get past it. But like you said, in a lot of counseling and talking and therapy, like and that's the thing, and that's where a lot of the tension kind of spurs is like if they had found out a year prior to the wedding, I think it would have been fine because you just take the time to get the counseling, figure everything out, like get back, you know, either A, figure out if she's crazy and you're like, No, actually, I I can't go ahead with this, or you figure it out, you you kind of get through it together. Because a lot, a lot of the issues that came up was like he couldn't stop thinking about it. Oh, even after he heard her like explain herself and he was like, Okay, I understand it a bit more, he's like, I don't agree with it, but like I understand kind of where she was and that she's not there, he's like, I can't unsee it. Like, there's a point where he sees this mug that has like, I don't know, gun on it. I can't remember what it was. It wasn't like pro gun, but it was like, Oh, I think it was like shoot me if I don't have my coffee or something like that. Like, kind of that. And he's like, he throws it away. He's like, I can't fucking do this. Um, so they have a lot of the tension of like, A, they have the wedding coming up, so there's just a lot of stuff going on. B, he's like, Fuck, I have a wedding coming up, and I I now have different feelings about this person. There's also the like canceling a wedding and getting your money back that close. Yeah, fuck that. That like within a week, like you're probably losing.

SPEAKER_04 43:44

Yeah, I think like my my issue with the situation is that like like you said, she's everything else, it seems like she's fine, she's come back from it, you know, she's done all the right things, she's a kind person. There are two sort of issues I have whereas like one, I the I'm don't don't Think this was talked about. Like, there's always a chance a person like that is like a sociopath, and sociopaths are really good at hiding when they're like they're really good at like putting on a mask and like acting like a good normal person. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Um bring that up in the movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:13

So like you have like Pat Patrick Patrick Bateman, American Cyber, like very common thing, like very normal, seeming dude, and then just casually kills people. Like, there's no telling that, like, yeah, that happened when she was 14 or 15, and now she's just waiting for the right opportunity again. Like, there's no there's no way to prove that. The other thing is that like, yes, it's only a one-time thing that happened, but again, it happened when she was seemingly at a very low point in her life. And my my thing would be like, how can I assure that that's not gonna happen again if you get to another low point? Like, what if you know, like what if uh we like we break up, we're what if we get divorced? How can I assure that you're not going to want to come kill me? How can I assure that if you if you like like really bad things happen, like you lose a child or something, you're not gonna go crazy, or like you have postpartum or something. Like when you when you have that that many intense thoughts, or like basically doing it, like she was like near the school with the gun, or I assume. Like if she's she was in school, yeah. If she got to that point just because she was sad and lonely and maybe a bit bullied, like, yeah, that sucks, but like that's really far, man. That's like really, really far. It's like like there's almost no way, even with like months of your years of therapy, in the back of my mind, I I'd almost just be constantly cautious. And I don't think you can I don't think I could be in a relationship with someone where even like one percent of my brain is thinking I have to be careful around this person. I I don't know if I could ever feel safe again knowing that. Sure. Just because it's so far, like I could like No, that's fair. I don't know, like, like because again, bringing like a full-on rifle to school, 14-15 school shooting is really, really intense. Like in again, that's pretty intense for the non-American brain where like it's not a common thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Yeah, I do think there is slightly like if you shot if you know if you made this movie in other any other country, I it would be I think more of a no-brainer. I think like I think they'll be like, no, you're you're insane.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Like, it wasn't like she went out and bought a gun, her dad had a gun in the house. So it's more normalized there, so it becomes so it's a little more normalized here, which is it its own fucking topic and thing, but like yeah, it's it's a it's it was a perfect, I think it's a really good gray area because it's like A, she didn't commit, she didn't do it.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

But it like what that is a crime though, technically, it's it's intent. So like Oh, sure. No, it is a crime.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

She should yeah, yeah, she should have.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

If she was found, she would have gone to a juvie or whatever. Yeah, it would have been juvie.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

No, that is true.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

It is a crime, but like if you did that at 20, you'd go to jail for like I don't know, fucking 10, 20 years or something. Like, it's a big crime to like almost commit murder, you know, like being that close to us.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

That's true. It is, it is indeed a crime. It's I thought it was a good gray issue of like, well, she she didn't do it and she did learn from it clearly, but it is also a terrible thing, but it's like almost a terrible hypothetical thing because she didn't fully go through with it, yeah. However, it wasn't like a thought, like, oh man, I'm depressed, I should shoot up the school, and then nothing comes of it. It's like, no, she was gonna do it, like it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

She was in the school with the gun. Like, that's that's a that's a split second decision away from doing it. Like, good that she didn't do it. I think she's maybe redeemable as a person, but like, yeah, again, in a relationship, I don't know. Again, I it's hard. 1415. Uh personally, personal opinion, I think we give way too much uh leniency on like the immaturity of kids. At 14, you fucking know what life and death is. Like, yeah, you should know some amount of consequences. Maybe you maybe you struggle to think like 30 years down the line and think of your life then. Like, you know what the fuck you're doing at 1415. I I'm sorry. Like the kids are like but it's stab strings and degree and stuff. You know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

I do think they they know what's up. I don't think they they quite grasp like the gravity of everything they do quite a bit. I'm not mass shooting is a is a tough one. I'm talking more about like doing more stupider shit, like like if they're doing drugs or if they're like doing stuff where they're like they're like, I'm gonna jump from this thing and it's like a stupid idea. Yeah, like they kind of know, but I think a lot of times they don't they only think about themselves and they also don't think about the fact that they're consequences. It doesn't mean they don't know about consequences and they don't know about life or death, but I it's interesting because of course like the movie starts by showing these characters is like these are totally perfectly normal people. It's partially to show you that people can appear normal, yeah, but it's not that it takes the route of like the the American cycle where you're like, look at this perfectly normal person. Anyways, he's a psychopath and what's the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

No, it's just he's like one thing, which is like, yeah, it's pretty realistic because like it's difficult to know when you talk to normal people. Like, luckily, from what I know, unless you're hiding something from me, Chad, most of my friends are like pretty normal, good people, haven't really done anything crazy, you know? Yeah, at least I don't think so. Yeah, um, but like, yeah, like you are you you find a hundred random strangers on the street, probably like I don't know, 30-40% of them have done something pretty fucked up, maybe more.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Or have thought about doing something really fucked up. More more than just like, oh, what if I did this? Like really considered it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:43

There's a good amount of people that like have like I've talked to like uh a lot of girls and like they always say that like oh yeah, almost all my female friends have been like sexually assaulted or something of the matter. Yeah, it's fucked up, and it's like uh it happens to a lot of people, or a lot of people end up doing stuff, and yeah, it's it's shocking to me because again, most people I know, from what I know, I have not are like good people. So like when I hear that so many people do bad stuff, like sort of under the radar, it's like kind of shocking to me because I like to think the best of people, even though yeah, it's difficult to it's they're often not, yeah. So like when you're when it's just it's just it's just such a big whiplash hearing that like oh this perfect person that seems great, I've been with, nearly just like killed a bunch of in like they could have been like in jail for like decades.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah, for some like that. It's yeah, it's it's kind of crazy. Um it's a hard one. I do think I could overcome it, but I do think it would require a lot of.

SPEAKER_04 50:44

I mean the the factor the factor that comes into it more so than how bad the school shooting is, I think is like how much you love the person because that can really change.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:53

Like if this is something you find out after six months, you ditch the bitch.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Oh, you you get out of there, but it like but I'm talking years, like you will you propose and was like, I'm ready to spend the rest of my life with you. That's when it gets to that's the thing that's hard, is it's like it's it's easy to overlook red flags in a relationship when there's enough green flags. Here's the deal when it comes to that, at least, like a red flag in quote could just be a flaw, like it could be like, oh, they're always late, or like they're messy, or whatever. And it's like that's something you can get over, or you can compromise, or that's something that could change.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Um, always late would piss me off. I can't lie. Always, every single time, no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Well, okay, you know what I mean. Like, tends to be late or something like that. But you know what I'm saying? Like, it's there, there's like flaws, like like you could deem them a red flag, but I wouldn't call them like a reason to leave. And then there's like reasons to leave. Yeah, this is a hard one because it's like it's a it's a cra it's like a crazy thing that happened, but also it was so long ago, and also everything else points to the contrary of her doing it again. But he does like throughout the movie, Robert Pattinson kind of has that where he's like, What if you what if this comes back up and she's sitting here and she's like, seriously, like the other thing is you get her perspective, so you know that she's like, No, I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Like, I'm sincere.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

I mean, the issue is like, how does she how can she like genuinely communicate that? And it's I don't I don't know if this is hard. I don't know if there's actually a way where you can fully convince the other person that it's not gonna happen again. It's like cheating. It's like if you cheat on your partner, it's kind of impossible to convince them that it's not gonna happen again. It's like really difficult.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Uh, a lot of people do convince the other their partner that they're not gonna do it again.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

But like it's it's it's that thing of like you can only trust how you can only trust someone until you break your until they break your trust.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

True. I think this is a thing where it's like, I don't know if it's a uh it's hard to say that it's not broken trust because cheating is a hard one because it's like that is directly breaking trust. At no point was she like, no, I haven't thought about a mass shooting. Yeah, um, and it happened prior to the relationship. So it's I mean for me, it's trust does come into it. It's a question of like, does it go far enough to break trust? I also think you can unbreak trust. I think it's hard, yeah, but I think it is possible.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

I think for me, it's not the fact that like I'd be worried that she's gonna do a mass shooting again, it's the fact that I'd be worried that if you know, like I said, if she goes through some other depressive period or is lonely for some reason that she's not gonna do something outside the normal range of emotion, like she's not going to abuse someone or uh do something to harm herself or others. That would be my concern, which is why like if you had enough time between like uh the wedding, like a lot of therapy and stuff like that, yeah, would be the way to get through it if you could, it'd be very difficult. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

It I think it'd be very difficult.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

Depends on how long you're together, how much you love them, how how good the rest of them is as a person, how old you are. Because like if you're if you've been with someone for three years and you're 21 and you find that out, yeah, you probably got time to find someone else. If you're like if you're like 35 or something, you're basically dead. Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Um, I mean you could still at that age you could still come back from it, but like, yeah, I don't know. It's it's an interesting one. Um excuse me. It really made me think. Because it's uh it is a hard, like it's not a very clear question, in my opinion. Um, and you get both of their perspectives, so like you see that she's genuinely like, no, like I'm not going to do this. Like, I haven't thought about it since. Like because it's been that was over half of her life ago when that happened. So she's like, no, I haven't. But then you get his perspective where he's like, What if? Like, I don't I don't know that. He's like, I see that you know that, but I don't know that.

SPEAKER_04 54:56

And like Yeah, that that's my side of the that's my side of it. That's what I'm leaning towards. Like, I it's just difficult to tell. And I also like I know people can change a lot. And she's a and she's a bit older than I am in that movie, but I I don't feel like in terms of just like general maturity and like knowing how to do taxes and shit, I don't feel like I've mentally changed like my morals and stuff that much since I was like 15. Like, I I don't think I'm like I I'm obviously more mature on like the general ways you get more mature over age, but like I don't think like when I was 15, I wasn't like, yeah, like cheating's fine, I should stab people, and now I'm like normal. Like I none of like that side of my morals or like ideas of consequences have changed that much, I don't think. Like I've tried, I try to be more considerate. I feel like I'm probably I I try and I'm I'm a bit more aware of like you know, not taking jokes as far sometimes. Sure. Um but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

I do I do think to some degree, like she did come from a darker place, and that kind of is where it stems. But it is also like they don't uh show it at least as like, oh, she had intense trauma, and you're like, Okay, well that makes sense. Like she was lonely and she was depressed, and like uh it they did show like kids were actively bullying her, um, and so she had like no friends, and like I do think have I mean, as both of us having moved a lot, having no friends at a young age seems pretty bad. I'm not saying it's school shooter bad. I'm just saying, like, I kind of understand that like she's coming from a dark place and she grew and learned from it. Again, it's taking it to the extreme, partially because it's a movie and that's what it does, but like I can kind of see how you I do think after enough time I could believe that you're not going to do it again.

SPEAKER_04 56:48

Yeah, I think for me, uh again, it's just a big part of it is that it being America, school shooting so extreme. If you moved the plot to Australia and it was like, oh, I I I nearly stabbed someone at school, that's something I could probably maybe more come back from because it's like a smaller event or more normal. Um like, yeah, I think it's just mass shooting is just kind of intense for me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

It it it's an intense one. I sadly, as an American, I have gotten I'm a little desensitized to that.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Um, so I mean, not that it's not a serious thing and not that it it doesn't have weight, but it's not you just hear it so often, it's expected crazy, yeah. It's not as crazy here as it would be in Australia, sadly.

SPEAKER_04 57:30

Um in America, you can understand how a sad depressed kid would get a gun, go to a school, and think about doing it. Because you see it in the news all the time, and it's easy to do. In Australia, yeah, you'd have to it would take a lot of effort, you'd have to be like a real psychopath to like really get to that point. Yeah.

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SPEAKER_01 57:47

You'd have to well, you it's harder to get a gun, like you'd have to go through more steps. Yeah, and that's the other thing is in it, like she was like, My dad had a rifle. Like, my dad was in the military, he had a rifle just in the house, and my parents weren't at home very often. So, like, even like when she would go home, she wouldn't have like parental support, and so she just had all this time to like stew. Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know. It's uh it's it's a it's a real twister. Um before we get off, I have a a little thing to mention. Uh last week you were I don't know, teasing me mildly, uh giving me a little bit of shit about probably um about I uh an idea for an episode shockingly regarding Pokemon. Um as you can see, we didn't do that today, and that's not because I kept being lazy. It's because we're just I don't think we're gonna make it a podcast. We're gonna put it in a different format, and until it's done or closer, I'm not gonna say a whole lot much more, but if that intrigues you, keep watching our podcast and you'll find out. Uh, cause because we'll bring it up once it's kind of closer to time. But I think we have kind of a fun video for the two of us that'll come out at some point. I don't have a date because I don't want to make any guarantees. But yeah, um I think that's uh that's pretty much it for us, Dan. Um how do you feel, Mr. Sunglass Man?

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Um I'm feeling feeling fucking pogous, bro. Let's go. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

I don't know how to respond to that. I don't worry about it. It's all good. I don't know what to do with that, man.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

What what all right bye, I guess? I guess. All right. Bye, everyone.